Lennart Augustsson wrote:
Well, I think fix destroys parametricity too, and it would be better to get rid of fix. But I'm not proposing to do that for Haskell, because I don't have a viable proposal to do so. (But I think the proposal would be along the same lines as the seq one; provide fix in a type class so we can keep tabs on it.)
This idea has actually been investigated (as you might know): http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&id=651452 That paper explains exactly how fix's impact on parametricity can be tamed. I don't think it ever went into a practical system, though.
BTW, fix can be defined in the pure lambda calculus, just not in simply typed pure lambda calculus (when not qualified by "typed" the term "lambda calculus" usually refers to the untyped version).
Yup, see my self-correction earlier on the list.
OK, so I was a bit harsh when I said seq destroys parametricity, it doesn't destroy it completely, just enough to ruin the properties used by, e.g., foldr/build.
But not even completely so. Partial correctness is still given without restrictions. See http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Correctness_of_short_cut_fusion (also explaining that the nowadays maybe even more popular destroy/unfoldr-dual of foldr/build does not even need seq to fail being correct)
The problem with the current seq can also be seen by the fact that it doesn't work properly with the IO type.
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