I'd like to vehemently agree with Henrik here. :) Personally, I think AMP was the right thing to do, but I don't think FTP was the right thing. And I don't think changes that break code are necessarily bad either, just some of them.
(To clarify, I'm against the Foldable class, but not Traversable. It would have been quite feasible to have the latter, but not the former.) -- Lennart -----Original Message----- From: Haskell-prime [mailto:haskell-prime-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Nilsson Sent: 21 October 2015 11:17 To: haskell-prime@haskell.org List; Haskell Libraries Subject: Re: Breaking Changes and Long Term Support Haskell Hi all, Jeremy wrote: > There seems to be a fair amount of friction between those who want to > > introduce new features or fix significant historical warts in the base > > libraries - even if this requires breaking changes - and those who > insist > on no significant breaking changes in new releases, regardless > of the > reason or how much warning was given. With respect, and without commenting on the merits of the proposal that is then outlined (Long-Term Support Haskell), I don't think this is an accurate description of the two main positions in the debate at all. Most of those who have argued against MRP, for example, have made it very clear that they are not at all against any breaking change. But they oppose breaking changes to Haskell itself, including central libraries, as defined by the Haskell report, unless the benefits are very compelling indeed. Speaking for myself, I have had to clarify this position a number of times now, as there has been a tendency by the some proponents of the proposed changes to suggest that those who disagree are against all changes, the long term implication being that Haskell would "stagnate and die". And in the light of the above, I felt compelled to clarify this position again. It's not about no more changes ever. It is about ensuring that changes are truly worthwhile and have wide support. Best, /Henrik -- Henrik Nilsson School of Computer Science The University of Nottingham n...@cs.nott.ac.uk This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Haskell-prime mailing list Haskell-prime@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-prime This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies and notify the sender immediately. You may wish to refer to the incorporation details of Standard Chartered PLC, Standard Chartered Bank and their subsidiaries at http://www.standardchartered.com/en/incorporation-details.html Insofar as this communication contains any market commentary, the market commentary has been prepared by sales and/or trading desk of Standard Chartered Bank or its affiliate. It is not and does not constitute research material, independent research, recommendation or financial advice. Any market commentary is for information purpose only and shall not be relied for any other purpose, and is subject to the relevant disclaimers available at http://wholesalebanking.standardchartered.com/en/utility/Pages/d-mkt.aspx Insofar as this e-mail contains the term sheet for a proposed transaction, by responding affirmatively to this e-mail, you agree that you have understood the terms and conditions in the attached term sheet and evaluated the merits and risks of the transaction. We may at times also request you to sign on the term sheet to acknowledge in respect of the same. Please visit http://wholesalebanking.standardchartered.com/en/capabilities/financialmarkets/Pages/doddfrankdisclosures.aspx for important information with respect to derivative products. _______________________________________________ Haskell-prime mailing list Haskell-prime@haskell.org http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-prime
