Thanks, Akira and Viraj.

My understanding is that we have options like

1. migrate org.apache.yetus:audience-annotations to Java >= 9 then
   migrate Hadoop to the new org.apache.yetus:audience-annotations.

2. "use the Jigsaw feature to export only @Public elements to other projects
   and create javadoc by new --show-packages=exported option instead of
   relying on the annotations." as mentioned by Akira[1].

Both require dropping Java 8 support.

If current org.apache.yetus:audience-annotations(:0.13.0) for Java 8 no longer 
evolves,
migrating to it in short term is not much useful?

[1] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-15304?focusedCommentId=16418072&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16418072

On 2021/09/28 18:38, Viraj Jasani wrote:
The problem comes from the removal of com.sun.tools.doclets.* packages

Agree. Here is the summary
<https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/docs/api/jdk.javadoc/jdk/javadoc/doclet/package-summary.html>
of the replacement package *jdk.javadoc.doclet*.
Here is the migration guide
<https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/docs/api/jdk.javadoc/jdk/javadoc/doclet/package-summary.html#migration>
for the same.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:06 PM Akira Ajisaka <aajis...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Masatake,

The problem comes from the removal of com.sun.tools.doclets.* packages in
Java 10.
In Apache Hadoop, I removed the doclet support for filtering javadocs when
the environment is Java 10 or upper.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-15304

Thanks,
Akira

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:27 AM Masatake Iwasaki <
iwasak...@oss.nttdata.co.jp> wrote:

In particular, there has been an outstanding problem with doclet
support
for filtering javadocs by annotation since JDK9 came out.

Could you give me a pointer to relevant Yetus JIRA or ML thread?

On 2021/09/28 1:17, Sean Busbey wrote:
I think consolidating on a common library and tooling for defining API
expectations for Hadoop would be great.

Unfortunately, the Apache Yetus community recently started a discussion
around dropping their maintenance of the audience annotations codebase[1]
due to lack of community interest. In particular, there has been an
outstanding problem with doclet support for filtering javadocs by
annotation since JDK9 came out.

I think that means a necessary first step here would be to determine if
we have contributors willing to show up over in that project to get
things
into a good state for future JDK adoption.



[1]:
https://s.apache.org/ybdl6
"[DISCUSS] Drop JDK8; audience-annotations" from d...@yetus.apache.org

On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org> wrote:

Since the early days, Hadoop has provided Interface classification
annotations to represent the scope and stability for downstream
applications to select Hadoop APIs carefully. After some time, these
annotations (InterfaceAudience and InterfaceStability) have been
migrated
to Apache Yetus. As of today, with increasing number of Hadoop
ecosystem
applications using (or starting to use) Yetus stability annotations
for
their own downstreamers, we should also consider using IA/IS
annotations
provided by *org.apache.yetus.audience *directly in our codebase and
retire
our *org.apache.hadoop.classification* package for the better
separation of
concern and single source.

I believe we can go with this migration to maintain compatibility for
Hadoop downstreamers:

    1. In Hadoop trunk (3.4.0+ releases), replace all usages of o.a.h.c
    stability annotations with o.a.y.a annotations.
    2. Deprecate o.a.h.c annotations, and provide deprecation warning
that
    we will remove o.a.h.c in 4.0.0 (or 5.0.0) release and the only
source for
    these annotations should be o.a.y.a.

Any thoughts?



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