Hey Paul.  I hate the policy too.  I've always suspected it was a 
union thing.  One of the reasons that I thought so was because TWC 
allows RoadRunner self-installs.  It's not like installing a cable 
modem is easier than installing a cable box, so my guess was that 
the union contract required that TWC not give out new boxes to walk-
ups, but when broadband came along it wasn't covered so TWC decided 
to allow self-installs.  However, some of TWC's techs seem to be 
independent contractors, so who knows what's going on?  Giles.

--- In [email protected], "PF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's true as I've found out on a wasted trip there for the 
8000HD a few 
> months back.  What a great way to treat your best customers 
already spending 
> $150/mth on your product and looking to spend more.  It's 
monumentally poor 
> customer relations; a textbook lesson in precisely what not to do 
to your 
> customers.  After all, I was there, I had proper ID, my account 
was current, 
> why not let me pick up one of the HD DVRs sitting right there not 
six feet 
> away, thereby making me happy.  Not to mention increasing the 
revenue 
> flowing from my account that much sooner?
> 
> What a concept.
> 
> But no, either I had to have an order number (obtainable over the 
phone), or 
> a unit to "trade."  But what possible purpose is served in forcing 
customers 
> to speak to a CSR in Canada or India prior to arrival merely to 
obtain an 
> order number?  It's Alice-inWonderlandian: Had I called first -- 
literally a 
> few minutes before I arrived would suffice I later found out -- 
they would 
> have given me one supposedly.  I probably could have done it via 
cell phone 
> sitting in the TWC service center while I waited the 25 mins for 
my number 
> to be called for the box I never got.  But, since I hadn't 
telephoned, I 
> could not walk in and ask for one even though I'm a valid, current 
customer, 
> (as the rep verified).  What good is a walk-in service center if 
some 
> customers can't walk in and be served?  How novel it would be to 
actually 
> use that pricey real estate and those expensive unionized fannies 
in the 
> chairs to increase revenue while simutaneously reducing service 
calls and, 
> therefore, costs.
> 
> Instead, I was told to make an appointment for an installation.  
Do these 
> TWC of NYC people understand the inconvenience that entails, 
especially for 
> busy New Yorkers?  And, no, you can't just have the tech leave it 
with the 
> doorman.  Those foreigner Mercedes guys understand because, hey, 
they live 
> here too; but not the local cable company.
> 
> Not surprisingly, my appointment was fouled up by TWC, as I 
predicted it 
> would be to the hapless rep in the 23rd Street office who bore the 
brunt of 
> my irritation.  The box was defective and there wasn't another HD 
DVR in the 
> installer's truck, necessitating a second appointment.  More 
inconvenience. 
> And cost to TWC.
> 
> Adding insult to injury, that mandatory appointment costs $25.   
The perfect 
> Catch-22.  Of course, my system is complex (at least to these 
under trained 
> installers), so I ended up installing the box for the tech, saving 
us both 
> many minutes of wasted time and frustration.
> 
> One more point:  There is absolutely no way that measley $25 
covers the 
> actual labor and vehicle costs of these sub-contracted techs 
visiting 
> customer homes.  So, it's in fact a money losing proposition.  But 
instead 
> of thinking it through, TWC forces its customers into arbitrary 
procedures 
> that in the end manage to both annoy the customer, and burden the 
service 
> provider with unnecessary expenditures.
> 
> Brilliant.  No wonder rates are so high.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Johnny Feedback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ HDTV in the NYC Area ] 8300 questions
> 
> 
> >
> > So you did swap a box....In your other email where you
> > said "YES YOU CAN", you made it seem like you just
> > walked in and picked up a box. I never said you need
> > to swap a DVR for another DVR. You can bring back ANY
> > Time Warner box and exchange it for whatever you want.
> > What you cannot do is go there and pickup an
> > additional box. Additional boxes need to be ordered
> > and a tech needs to come and install it.
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/6/2005 10:55:10 A.M. Eastern
> >> Standard Time,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >> Did you have to swap your old box, or did you just
> >> pick one  up?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> i brought back my  3250hd non dvr and took the 8300
> >> instead
> >>
> >
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