I do not think that including "Sheliṭa' as part of a heading or cross-reference makes any sense, because as Miriam points out sheliṭa means " he should live to the length of good days amen." This kind of phrase is not used in RDA for constructing authorized access points. And, as she points out is very misleading when you include a death date.
However, I disagree about using not "Admor" as the basis of an authorized access point, even if we don't have dates available and we don't need to differentiate. It is used as a title for a Hasidic rabbi and it also can be considered a phrase. If we look at RDA 9.2.2.5 Characterizing Word or Phrase If a person is commonly identified by a characterizing word or phrase in resources associated with the person and in reference sources, consider this word or phrase to be the preferred name for the person. Record the word or phrase by applying the general guidelines on recording names at 8.5[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp8&target=rda8-257#rda8-257>. Record the phrase in direct order. This rule appears to apply to Admor if we look at the examples provided. We would have to find a way to distinguish this heading further if "Admor" has been established already without any additions to the heading and another Admor is created as a heading or cross-reference. Best, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ________________________________ From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford....@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Kuperman, Aaron <a...@loc.gov> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 10:57 AM To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Admor Shelita as a cross reference for Hassidic Rebbes They are honorifics, similar to “Mr.” or “The honorable” or “H.R.H.” or “Ph.D.” or “Esq.” Do we normally include honorifics in name authorities? Exception, if someone is known as the “Admor mi-?????”, so wouldn’t we treat it the way we treat any other name. Whomever but “Admor shelitah” in a 400 doesn’t understand. From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc....@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Miriam Gloger Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:35 PM To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu Subject: [Heb-NACO] Admor Shelita as a cross reference for Hassidic Rebbes The term Admor Shelita אדמו"ר שליט"א (Adoni, mori v.e-rabi she-yih.yeh le-orekh yamim t.ovim amen -- my master, teacher, and Rabbi, he should live to the length of good days amen) is kind of like saying his excellency, or his holiness -- it is an honorific typically used for Hassidic Rebbes. In some cases it is used somewhat correctly as Admor of a place/Congregation but even in those cases, it probably should have dates because Hassidic groups/communities are dynastic so that there are 1) often several generations of Admor mi-(name the city) 2) in some cases like Satmar, Bobov, Vizhnitz, there are splits, -- so that there are 2 Admor mi-(name the group) at a time writing about the same subject! Below are a few examples of usage with and without a date. In the second record Shelita $c Admor makes absolutely no sense. ARN 6015791 010 nr2003011259 040 DLC-R ǂb eng ǂc DLC-R ǂd OCoLC 1001 Horoṿits, Shemuʼel Tsevi 4000 Admor Sheliṭa 4001 אדמו״ר שליטא 4001 הורוויץ, שמואל צבי 667 Machine-derived non-Latin script reference project. 667 Non-Latin script references not evaluated. 670 Sefer Shivḥe Tehilim, 2000: ǂb t.p. (Maran Admor, sheliṭa) p. 32 (author of Ṭava di-Shemuʼel) 670 RLIN, 31 Mar. 2003 ǂb (hdg.: Horoṿits, Shemuʼel Tsevi; author of Ṭava di-Shemuʼel) ARN 9989794 010 no2014136816 040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd DLC 1001 Wassertheil, Chaim Elazar 4000 Admor Sheliṭa, ǂd active 2014 4001 אדמו״ר שליט״א 4001 Sheliṭa, ǂc Admor, ǂd active 2014 4001 שליט״א, אדמו״ר 4001 Ṿasserṭhail, Ḥayim Elʻazar 4001 וואססערטהייל, חיים אלעזר 4000 Admor, ǂc mi-Rimanov 667 Non-Latin script reference not evaluated. 670 Sefer Ḳedushat Shabat: ǂb title page (Admor Sheliṭa) 670 Wikipedia, viewed Oct. 9, 2014 ǂb (Rimenov (Hasidic dynatsty; Rabbi Chaim Elazar Wassertheil, rabbi of "Beeras Hamayim" in Borough Bark, Brookyn) 670 National Library of Israel authority file, viewed online Oct. 9, 2014 ǂb (hdg.:וואסערטהייל, חיים אלעזר = Ṿasserṭhail, Ḥayim ʻElʻazar; xref: אדמו״ר מרימנוב (בורו פארק = Admor mi-Rimanov (Boro Parḳ)) -- Miriam Gloger Librarian II Database Management Team (CMA) (917) 229-9575 The New York Public Library - BookOps Library Services Center 31-11 Thomson Ave Long Island City, NY 11101-3006
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