Hi, Cliff.
Yiddish romanization is nothing like Hebrew romanization. In the case below, we’re dealing with a Yiddish word of Hebrew origin, which is “romanized in a ‘Yiddishlike’ manner if found in what the cataloger determines to be a Yiddish context. … the current practice has been expanded to follow more closely the romanization in both [Wienreich] as well as Isidoro Niborski’s Ṿerṭerbukh fun Loshn-Ḳoydesh shṭamiḳe ṿerṭer (Paris, 2012) for most consonants, as well. … Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an <h>.” (HCM-RDA, p. 22) Looking in Niborski, then, under חתן (we are instructed to search for words without the article א), we see it given as כאסן with a קמץ under the א --> khosn; differentiating between כ and ח and adding the required diacritics yields ḥos̀n; adding the article yields aḥos̀n. As the first word in the title, it is capitalized, Aḥos̀n. Please let me know if there are further questions. A joyous Sukot to all! ________________________________ From: Cliff Miller <clmil...@jtsa.edu> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 9:19:40 AM To: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@upenn.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question Does the presence of the second vowel kamets not affect the romanization? Clifford Miller From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa....@lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 6:36 PM To: Barry Dov Walfish <barry.dov.walf...@gmail.com>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question CAUTION: This email originated from outside JTSA. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished. From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@ lists. osu. edu> On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4: 51 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu>; Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished. From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4:51 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question It’s in Weinreich also as khosn. So no differentiation between samekh and sin? On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4: 34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu> wrote: Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would It’s in Weinreich also as khosn. So no differentiation between samekh and sin? On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4:34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote: Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn" "Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn" "Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an “h.” When Weinreich offers a choice of romanizations, the first is adopted. If a Hebrew two-word expression is written as two words in a Yiddish context, this spacing is imitated in the romanization. Hebrew Script Weinreich Niborski ALA-LC Romanization טוב יום YONTEV/YONTEF יאָנטעװ yon ṭev Kiper Yin יאָנקיפּער/יאָמקיפּער YONKIPER/YINKIPER יום כיפור הסופר עזרא -- -- Ezra ha-Soyfer. I could not locate "חתן" in Weinrich so I went to Niborski. Just my thoughts. best, Heidi ________________________________ From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> on behalf of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:36 AM To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>) <heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the nikud appeared All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the nikud appeared on that piece. Wouldn’t my piece be romanized “Aḥos̀on?” because of the two successively appearing kamatsim? Wishing you all a happy Sukkot! Caroline Caroline R. 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