On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00:31PM -0500, Liam Healy wrote: > This thread seems relevant; as of 2015 or so, the answer was "most > probably not": > > [https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/issues/132#issuecomment-164936220]https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/ > issues/132#issuecomment-164936220 > and if you scroll all the way to the bottom through many "any updates on > this?" postings, > you'll see postings from a few days ago saying basically nothing's changed. > I just checked some of my papers on Zenodo, and none came up in GS.
I started using researchgate and academia.edu a couple years ago and monitored GS indexing. Most of these come up a week or so after posting but they may curate them hard to know, https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka Again, researchgate generates a DOI but I'm not sure it is useful for getting bibliographic information since neither it nor the one I checked from Zenodo worked with crossref. Googgle Scholar does have a way to generate bibtex from an indexed result but last time I looked it was very terse or incomplete. When I find hits on GS I don't use their cite facilities but put the link into Toobib ( others may use Zotero ). In any case, once a document is downloaded you may still want to cite it but I don't see anyone other than myself advocating a method to include machine readable citation information. Also there is another annoyance in the lack of being able to know when a document generates interest as with a user clicking on a bibliographic citation. I'm working on a modifying bibliographies in documents I gnerate to put a doc identifier ( maybe a DOI when a useful one exists ) in the query string so a server could attribute the click to the work. Or, maybe do as google does and wrap the entire URL into a central passthrough server so it can cound the clicks before redirecting to the real location :) > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Marchywka > <[mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Liam Healy wrote: > > I suggest archiving on Zenodo > [https://zenodo.org/]https://zenodo.org/. This will provide > > permanent storage and a DOI. Subsequent revisions will get their own > DOI, > > but there is also a generic DOI. You can even make a GSL "community" > > [https://zenodo.org/communities/]https://zenodo.org/communities/. > Do you know if google scholar indexes these? It looks like > they index most of researchgate and [http://academia.edu/]academia.edu. > Researhgate creates a DOI but apparently they don't tell "Crossref" > about it so it is hard to cite ( if anyone know differently great). > In any case, the output document ( usually pdf ) should have > machine readable info in the extended information if you want > people to easily cite it. This can be hard since you don't > know where it is going and can't put in a url etc. The bibtex > download software can put on the finishing touches however. > I just took a random page, > > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW > and TooBib tried to look up the DOI, > > [http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333]http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333 > which returned a 404. This seems to be the right > DOI as displayed on the page, > February 17, 2022 > DOI: > 10.5281/zenodo.6126333 > Keyword(s): > However, toobib did find a citation using a standard method whereas > with researchgate it is a struggle, > % mjmhandler: toobib handleadhochtml<-citation > % date 2022-02-17:12:07:12 Thu Feb 17 12:07:12 EST 2022 > % srcurl: > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU > % citeurl: > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU > @article{processeddataYangKalverla, > X_TooBib = {date: FixBeKvp s=2022/02/17 cmd=date -f - "+%Y-%m-%d" > d=2022-02-17 dn=date}, > X_TooBib = {year: ReWriteKvp dn=year sn=date flags=4}, > X_TooBib = {month: ReWriteKvp dn=month sn=date flags=7}, > X_TooBib = {day: ReWriteKvp dn=day sn=date flags=7}, > X_TooBib = {publisher: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=}, > X_TooBib = {journal: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=}, > X_TooBib = {urldate: FixBeKvp s= cmd=date "+%Y-%m-%d" d=2022-02-17 > dn=urldate}, > X_TooBib = {author: Liu , Yang and Kalverla , Peter and Alidoost , > Fakhereh and Verhoeven , Stefan and Vreede , > Barbara and Booth , Ben and Coppola , Erika and Nogherotto , Rita and > Brunner , Lukas and Harris , Glen and Qasmi > , Said and Ballinger , Andrew and Hegerl , Gabriele and McSweeney , > Carol and O ' Reilly , Christopher and Palmer , > Tamzin and Ribes , Aurélien and de Vries , Hylke}, > abstract_html_url = > {[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333}, > author = { Liu , Yang and Kalverla , Peter and Alidoost , Fakhereh and > Verhoeven , Stefan and Vreede , Barbara and > Booth , Ben and Coppola , Erika and Nogherotto , Rita and Brunner , > Lukas and Harris , Glen and Qasmi , Said and > Ballinger , Andrew and Hegerl , Gabriele and McSweeney , Carol and O > ' Reilly , Christopher and Palmer , Tamzin and > Ribes , Aurélien and de Vries , Hylke}, > author_orig = {Liu, Yang and Kalverla, Peter and Alidoost, Fakhereh and > Verhoeven, Stefan and Vreede, Barbara and Booth, > Ben and Coppola, Erika and Nogherotto, Rita and Brunner, Lukas and > Harris, Glen and Qasmi, Said and Ballinger, Andrew > and Hegerl, Gabriele and McSweeney, Carol and O'Reilly, Christopher and > Palmer, Tamzin and Ribes, Aurélien and de Vries, > Hylke}, > date = {2022-02-17}, > day = {17}, > doi = {10.5281/zenodo.6126333}, > keywords = {climate and EUCP}, > month = {02}, > pagetitle = {Pre-processed data of atlas in EUCP-WP2 | Zenodo}, > publication_date = {2022/02/17}, > title = {Pre-processed data of atlas in EUCP-WP2}, > urldate = {2022-02-17}, > year = {2022}, > > url={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU}, > > srcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU}, > > xsrcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU}, > > citeurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU} > } > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:21 AM Mike Marchywka > <[mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:24:53PM -0700, Patrick Alken wrote: > > > > Thanks Mark, > > > > > > > > I don't think it is suitable for publication in a journal. > > > > There is nothing novel here, its just technical details of how > > > > to calculate ALFs efficiently. > > > > > > But how should other people cite your work? This is a recurring > problem > > > for me and I have created a developmental tool maybe similar to > > > Zotero for obtaining bibtex from many random links. When I post > > > pdf "tech reports", for example, > > > > > > > [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka > > > > > > I try to include human AND machine readable bibtex. > > > If you look at any of my recent pdf files there is always a suggsted > > > version at the end although I'm not sure if Zotero or Toobib > > > can find that. In the extended information I include > > > bibtex info but have not found a well accepted or commonly > > > used way to do this ( [http://tug.org/]tug.org website in particular > does not > > > seem to have an easy way to cite their works unless you know > > > about their lookup -table page ) > > > Its not hard to do this with latex and I can contribute > > > the few lines I use to do it if anyone wants it. > > > > > > For example, > > > exifutil -list covidup.pdf > > > ExifTool Version Number : 11.75 > > > File Name : covidup.pdf > > > Directory : . > > > File Size : 417 kB > > > File Modification Date/Time : 2022:02:16 18:11:39-05:00 > > > File Access Date/Time : 2022:02:16 19:50:21-05:00 > > > File Inode Change Date/Time : 2022:02:16 18:11:39-05:00 > > > File Permissions : rw-rw-r-- > > > File Type : PDF > > > File Type Extension : pdf > > > MIME Type : application/pdf > > > PDF Version : 1.5 > > > Linearized : No > > > Page Count : 31 > > > Page Mode : UseOutlines > > > Author : > > > Title : > > > Subject : > > > Creator : LaTeX with hyperref package > > > Producer : LuaTeX-0.80.0 > > > X-bib-filename : covidup > > > X-bib-run-date : February 16, 2022 > > > X-bib-title : An Update: On the age distribution > of > > > SARS-Cov-2 Patients > > > X-bib-author : Mike J Marchywka > > > X-bib-type : techreport > > > X-bib-name : marchywka-MJM-2021-007 > > > X-bib-number : MJM-2021-007 > > > X-bib-version : 0.00 > > > X-bib-institution : not institutionalized, independent > > > X-bib-address : 306 Charles Cox , Canton GA 30115 > > > X-bib-date : February 16, 2022 > > > X-bib-startdate : 2021-07-21 > > > X-bib-day : 16 > > > X-bib-month : 2 > > > X-bib-year : 2022 > > > X-bib-author 1email : > [mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com > > > X-bib-contact : > [mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com > > > X-bib-author 1id : > [http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X]orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X > > > X-bib-pages : 31 > > > X-bib-bibtex : > @techreport{marchywka-MJM-2021-007, > > > filename ="covidup" , run-date ="February 16, 2022" , title ="An > Update: On > > > the age distribution of SARS-Cov-2 Patients " , author ="Mike J > Marchywka " > > > , type ="techreport" , name ="marchywka-MJM-2021-007" , number > > > ="MJM-2021-007" , version ="0.00" , institution ="not > institutionalized, > > > independent " , address =" 306 Charles Cox , Canton GA 30115" , date > > > ="February 16, 2022" , startdate ="2021-07-21" , day ="16" , month > ="2" , > > > year ="2022" , author1email > ="[mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com" , contact =" > > > [mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com" , author1id > ="[http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X]orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X" , > > > pages =" 31" } > > > Create Date : 2022:02:16 18:11:38-05:00 > > > Modify Date : 2022:02:16 18:11:38-05:00 > > > Trapped : False > > > PTEX Fullbanner : This is LuaTeX, Version > beta-0.80.0 (TeX > > > Live 2015/Debian) (rev 5238) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll see if I can fix the formatting issue on eq. 36. Its a > > > > good idea to cite GSL, I will add that :) > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > On 2/16/22 22:51, Mark Galassi wrote: > > > > > Patrick, this is a great paper. It shows the same care you > apply to > > > maintaining gsl. The writing is also very clear, and I love the > table of > > > acronyms :-). Do you plan to submit for publication in a numerical > > > analysis journal, or submit to the arXiv? > > > > > > > > > > The only previous quasi-report had been the ongoing design > document > > > that I kept going with James and Brian in the early years, but it is > a > > > working design doc, not anything of the scope you have shown here. > > > > > > > > > > Tiny suggestions: alignment of equation 36 on page 5: "l >= 1" > could > > > be moved quite a bit to the left. Maybe an extra & to make it match > the > > > start of the l >= 1, m > 0. > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to also cite the reference manual (as we ask > > > people to do when they use gsl :-) ). A recent bibtex skeleton on > that is > > > the 2019 Network Theory edition. > > > > > > > > > > @book{gslteam2019gnuscientificlibrary, > > > > > title={GNU Scientific Library Reference Manual}, > > > > > author={Galassi, Mark and Davies, Jim and Theiler, James and > Gough, > > > Brian and Jungman, Gerard and Alken, Patrick and Booth, Michael and > Rossi, > > > Fabrice and Ulerich, Rhys}, > > > > > year={2019}, > > > > > isbn={9780954612078}, > > > > > publisher={Network Theory Limited} > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > mike marchywka > > > 306 charles cox > > > canton GA 30115 > > > USA, Earth > > > [mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com > > > 404-788-1216 > > > ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X > > > > > > > -- > mike marchywka > 306 charles cox > canton GA 30115 > USA, Earth > [mailto:marchy...@hotmail.com]marchy...@hotmail.com > 404-788-1216 > ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X -- mike marchywka 306 charles cox canton GA 30115 USA, Earth marchy...@hotmail.com 404-788-1216 ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X