> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:05:02AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:35:36PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > I think the whole /sbin directory is old unix-craft like /usr. > > > > We will not link /sbin to /bin. > > It's nice that you give a good argumentation. I'm really convinced. Go to bed Jeroen! Your responses usually get consistently nastier or more defensive the later it gets.
I know there is a time lag with our American friends so it's not a fair discussion :-) but this should not turn into a flame war over what after all is just a draft version of an annex(!) to a standard. And the standard is mainly meant for system packagers to promote a uniform directory structure for Unix, Unix-like and maybe even "just" POSIX-compliant systems (BTW, what does the POSIX standard say about this?). So, it is my humble opinion that in order for the Hurd to make its drive into the "market", it should do it on the basis of its POSIX emulation layer (including file system appearance). Since it is NOT Unix(like), any attempt to make it fit with "common practice" in the Unix world is only downplaying its capabilities. Conversely, trying to force its characteristics on the *nixen through important standard changes will fail (because they are mostly irrelevant to those "others") and making GNU/Hurd just an irrelevant annex. The FHS is not the appropriate forum to promote the "superior" capabilities/characteristics of the Hurd. It is very unlikely that ordinary users will read it, anyway and distributing packagers don't have to be convinced anymore. But playing it sneakely it could speedup adoption by other packagers (than Debian) and increase diffusion. The evangilism and education about its unusual (seen from the point of view of a Unix(like) user) features can then happen gradually through system documentation and dedicated websites. Therefore it is better to spend your energies in finding the best means/ways to map the FHS to the POSIX layer and maybe request some changes in case this requires ugly hacks or leads to confusing inconsistencies. People who don't like the FHS layout after an install can hack around as much as they like, exploiting extremely nonUnix behaviour/capabilities. Hey, you could even distribute the necessary scripts/docs/rationales/total-Hurd-without-any-reference-to-POSIX-distribution separately. It is just not realistic to force it on packagers specialized in f.i. distributing Linux, especially not if you are targeting soon-to-be former Linux users (or any other *nix user, for that matter). You just don't want to punish them for being converted to the Hurd or even for just trying it out. We're not the Borg! (In fact, I'm certainly not since I didn't find the time to try it out yet but I'm already convinced...:-) Just my 0.02 eurocents, Guy Bormann --------------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Dr. Guy Bormann | email : Guy dot Bormann at ua dot ac.be Research Assistant | smail : Building N, Room 1.06 Theoretical Physics of Condensed Matter o Universiteitsplein 1 Dept. Natuurkunde | 2610 Wilrijk Universiteit Antwerpen | Belgium _______________________________________________ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd