I agree with you 100% Tom. No flames here. Hazel Horn Hazel Horn, HT/HTL (ASCP) Supervisor of Histology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way Slot 820 Little Rock, AR 72202 phone 501.364.4240 fax 501.364.3155 visit us on the web at: www.archildrens.org -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Tom McNemar Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:56 PM To: rjbu...@yahoo.com; Larry Woody; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven Coakley Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology
I'm sure that I'm gonna get blasted but...... I'm sorry but I stand by the statement. I have been a certified HT for 30 years now. I will take an uncertified tech who can get a quality slide to the pathologist in a timely fashion over one who can tell me about it but can't do it. We all know that they are out there. Yes, perhaps the "lure" was insufficient but that is out of my control and irrelevant. The bottom line is that none were willing to accept what I had to offer. Certification does not make a good histo tech. Certification is a stamp of validation. It says that someone passed a test so they must be good. There are many very good uncertified people in histology. Certification lost some of its validity when they did away with the practical part. I would prefer to have someone who can actually do the work and not just talk about it. Given my choice, I would love to have all certified techs but I live in the real world and it's not likely to happen in my remaining time. Everyone talks of quality like it comes magically from having a piece of paper. It don't. Quality comes from experience and practical training. And in the long run, that paper has very little to do with it. Let the flamming begin! Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP) Histology Co-ordinator Licking Memorial Health Systems (740) 348-4163 (740) 348-4166 tmcne...@lmhealth.org www.LMHealth.org -----Original Message----- From: Rene J Buesa [mailto:rjbu...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM To: Larry Woody; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven Coakley; Tom McNemar Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology Tom: All you have written is understandable EXCEPT that "it doesn't take an advanced degree to do histology", that reflects the old assumption that "if you know how to cook or to knit you can do histology". That is an unacceptable position now when patient care should be a major concern. I agree that a lab assistant does not need to be certified as long as the work is limited to "assist" or do things other than working with patient samples. Perhaps the "lure" you used was not "tasteful" enough (not enough money or benefits). HTs occupy the worst paid echelon in the medical lab and will never get of that stratum unless all are certified and those who hire them show the proper respect for their work. René J. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Tom McNemar <tmcne...@lmhealth.org> wrote: From: Tom McNemar <tmcne...@lmhealth.org> Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology To: "Larry Woody" <slappyc...@yahoo.com>, rjbu...@yahoo.com, Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, "Steven Coakley" <sjchta...@yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:36 AM Perhaps in a perfect world.... My world is less than perfect. For our last opening, we spent 10 months trying to find and lure a certified tech to our facility and then gave up and took an MLT. We have four techs and two of us are certified HTs. We recently hired a person off the street and trained them to be a histology assistant. It has been very beneficial for us. She files slides, covers the late grossing (assists the pathologist), coverslips, etc. It doesn't take an advanced degree to do histology. You gotta do what you gotta do to get the work out. Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP) Histology Co-ordinator Licking Memorial Health Systems (740) 348-4163 (740) 348-4166 tmcne...@lmhealth.org www.LMHealth.org -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]on Behalf Of Larry Woody Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:10 AM To: rjbu...@yahoo.com; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven Coakley Subject: Re: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology This has been an ongoing issue for so many years in histology, I've always wanted to see a mandatory license in the field but that always starts a firestorm of controversy. If you have surgery, you certainly want a board certified surgeon to do it and same with the Pathologist that looks at the slides so wouldn't you want a certified tech doing the lab work as well? Larry A. Woody Seattle, Wa. ________________________________ From: Rene J Buesa <rjbu...@yahoo.com> To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Steven Coakley <sjchta...@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:58:26 AM Subject: Re: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology A hospital that relies on uncertified techs to do histology work is motivated by the pursue of costs cuts (you can call it greed!) and shows total disregard for quality of work and patient care. They may end losing all those savings when settling a legal case. René J. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Steven Coakley <sjchta...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Steven Coakley <sjchta...@yahoo.com> Subject: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 9:55 AM Any thoughts or experiences with my fellow HT/HTL's(ASCP). What the big advantage do all these facilities think there gaining by going with unregistered techs, especially when theres always ongoing quality issues when theres so many trained certified HT looking for work? 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