Steve,

You never needed to pay the $45 a year to the ASCP.  Once you were certified, 
you were certified.  No one can take that away from you. And $45 for a sticker 
wasn't insurance of anything.  That money went to supporting the ASCP and 
getting you a copy of their magazine.  I realize it's different today for new 
certificants with the CE requirement, which is actually not a bad idea.

To everyone else interested in this discussion,

I fall on the side of ASCP certification being the unifying factor.  And I've 
still not been convinced that state licensure (or whatever kind of licensure) 
is necessary.  We have a national standard with the ASCP-BOR, I see no need to 
re-invent the wheel here.  And I realize I'm probably treading ground somewhere 
here between the advocates for licensure and those who feel uncertified techs 
are good enough and if you have more training, education, etc., that's nice but 
not required.

Seems to me that whatever the field of endeavor, you will always find people 
doing exceptional work and people without a clue.  To paraphrase George Carlin, 
"Somewhere out there is the world's worst doctor, that's bad enough, but what's 
worse is that someone probably has an appointment to see him today!"  So, this 
may or may not have anything to do with degrees, certifications, licenses or 
special training.  I think the general public would like to believe it does, or 
why would people bother to frame all their diplomas, certificates etc., and put 
them on the walls of their offices?  It does seem logical that someone with 
more training, education and all would be a better tech.  The reality is 
sometimes that's true and sometimes it's not.  I like the idea of a well 
educated and technically skill person working in my lab, but everyone brings 
something different to the table.  Also, from what's been posted already it's 
obvious to me that life circumstances have dictated how things shook out for 
most people.  Everyone wants respect no matter which path brought them to the 
lab.  I think we can agree on 2 things here which are both less than optimal - 
1)Having a technically skilled person that's good at embedding, cutting and 
staining, but doesn't have a clue about chemistry, biology or much in the way 
of science -that's a problem! 2)Having a certified, bona fide, glorified (and 
possibly funk-defied)degree holding, so called, well educated person that can't 
walk and chew gum, let alone get any lab work done -that's a problem!  I don't 
have the answer, but I do know that having the state hit you up every year for 
$$??, just to keep a license seems wrong!

In the last year, I've hired 3 well educated techs, that will eventually take 
their registry exam.  I appreciate the education they've got.  The level of 
technical expertise I get from them is good to very good as well.  So, I'm 
lucky in that regard.  I do believe it was a mistake to eliminate the practical 
portion of the exam.  I can elaborate on that with anyone who disagrees if they 
wish, but this post is probably long enough for now.  Also, I'm sure this 
discussion can seem confusing and odd to our UK, etc., colleagues, but their 
social medicine makes for a completely different beast.

Thanks for allowing me to ramble.

Tom Jasper

Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS
Histology Supervisor
Central Oregon Regional Pathology Services
Bend, OR 97701
541/617-2831
tjas...@copc.net

-----Original Message-----
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Coakley
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] uncertified techs

Thanks for all the input.  So why am I wasting my cash paying the $45 for an 
ascp sticker?
15 years ago I suppose I should have taken the extra time to become at least an 
MLT.
Oh well.
 
Thanks again ya all.  :)
 
Steve


      
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