We attend career days and always take a microscope and brochures. The NSH has some wonderful free brochures, you only pay for the shipping. The Histology table is always one of the most popular.
Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP) Histology Co-ordinator Licking Memorial Health Systems (740) 348-4163 (740) 348-4166 tmcne...@lmhealth.org www.LMHealth.org -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]on Behalf Of Swain, Frances L Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:49 AM To: Pamela Marcum; 'JoeNocito'; 'Morken, Tim'; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology Joe and Pam have excellent points. We all need to advertise what we do. Here in Arkansas when you tell the regular folks (non-medical) that you are a Histology Technician. They ask do you do History research? I know that sounds ignorant but the public is not very well informed as to the other medical professionals in this world. Yes this includes even the Medical Technologists. Even the Cytotechnologists are an unknown or rarely known Medical Professional. All of this is because, in most cases, we work behind the scenes as support personnel for doctors, nurses, lpns, cnas, etc that the patients and their families see. When their loved one goes into the operating room for a biopsy they have no idea as to what it takes to make a diagnosis or to see why their loved one is so sick. I am very proud to be a Histology Technician and I have talked, showed, and advertised my profession for 46 years. If we all did this maybe we would have more folks to take our places when we retire. Maybe!!!! Frances L. Swain HT(ASCP) A. A. S. Special Procedures Technician Department of Orthopaedic Surgery Center for Orthopaedic Research Barton Research Building 2R28 4301 West Markham Street Little Rock AR 72205 (501) 686-8739 PHONE (501) 686-8987 FAX swainfranc...@uams.edu email -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pamela Marcum Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:32 AM To: 'JoeNocito'; 'Morken, Tim'; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology Joe is making good points here and I think it is something to think about for all of us. I know the Histology school at Pima Community College may be closing in Tucson AZ too. We keep trying for more schools and better book training as well as mixing in actual laboratory experience in histology in many areas of the country. It is not filling these positions and while I would like to see everyone certified and trained in a school it is not happening. I will be honest as some one trained as an OJT in the 60's I would not have gone on with this field had I not had great mentors. I could not thank Dr George Gantner enough for starting me off not Dorothy Nagy enough for my early training when we only had a few schools nationally and none close by. I got my HT later so I would always have it. My other education is really secondary to histology which I consider a great profession whether in clinical or research. It is also a point that very (and I mean very) few people even know what Histology is or how important it is to getting a correct surgical diagnosis. While we are talking about the shortage and where to get people we should be thinking of ways to market who we are and what we do so people want to become histologists. It is not happening and never will with ASCP nor is much going on with NSH as far as I can see. I attend and speak at state meetings and region meetings all over the country and we are all seeing the same thing and getting no help or feedback. AS a volunteer organization we can effect the areas we live in however, we need help to do it. We have a school here in my area at Delaware Technical Community College and it rotates people through various labs in the area. This is a bone lab and we show them plastics and other procedures we do that they may never see any place else. The University is nice enough to allow this so we have about two hours with them one on one for show and tell. I know for what we do it is a good chance to see a bone research lab for large animal study as opposed to rodent studies they will see in some areas. Pamela A Marcum University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine Comparative Orthopedic Laboratory (CORL) 382 W Street Rd Kennett Square PA 19438 610-925-6278 -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of JoeNocito Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:27 PM To: 'Morken, Tim'; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology FUEL to the FIRE (come on, it's me. Did you expect anything less?) I was told today that the Histology program at the local CC is in jeopardy of closing because the director (who is a MT) isn't supporting the program. The program director has talked to the Dean and a meeting is to take place next month: hopefully with local employers attending to state the point that this program is needed.. San Antonio is in dire need of techs such that, some techs are jumping from job to job for the most money. In my last place of employment, I hired HTs at first, then ran out of techs. Then I hired recent grads with the understanding that they would take the HT. My last hire at the last place was a lab aide, who files slides, coverslipped, etc. Before I left, we had him running special stains, embedding and cutting. We sat with him at the microscope to go over the special stains reactions, the chemicals and dyes that made the "colors". He was surpassing some of the more experienced techs that have been working there for a longer period of time. My point is, registered or not, the fact is techs are in short supply, with good techs even fewer. I've seen some registered techs that I won't let touch a pimple on my left buttock, but this guy I was teaching could cut my prostate bxs, that's is how much faith I had in him. There is a wide rip in the PA world between "programmed trained" and "OJT trained" such that a member wrote a letter to the newsletter and said he was withdrawing his membership because he felt that since the ASCP took over the PA exam, there are less qualified PAs now because the ASCP made the exam too easy. This question has gone on for years. I went for my certifications because an old supervisor gave me the challenge that I wouldn't pass it, funny, that's what some people said about me when I took my PA exam too. The truth is, most of us are reaching the age where we need good histology. Although I would like it if everyone was certified, but the fact is as long as pathologists are willing to hire unregistered techs, this is a battle that goes on. Oh, by the way, I was discussing this same thing at a lecture one time. In the audience was a histology program director, who at break, went up to the other guy I was lecturing with, that she didn't agree with what I was saying. He told her that what I was saying was the truth( that there are many techs and PAs working who are not certified). She decided to pull herself and her students out of my class. Now, I was not advocating that people not get certified, I was saying that there are many out there who are not. She even went to complain the president, vice-president and the program coordinator about my lecture. My best buddy, Hector, was also there. After she left, the president told Hector to tell me to tone it down some. Hector said, "he won't listen to me". The president responded," why not? You're his best friend". Hector replied," because it's Joe". I'm going out for a run now. Joe Nocito, BS, PA, HT (ASCP) QIHC San Antonio, TX -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Tim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:57 AM To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology Uh oh, here we go....again! It's just demand and economics in most areas. In the San Francisco area good luck finding a certified tech. They can command 70K with minimal experience, which is what Kaiser and the UC medical center are paying. I know one woman who was working for a service lab in the area who wanted to work on her certification but her pathologist refused to sponsor her because he figured if she got it she would leave for a place that would pay her higher salary (seems like that ought to cause to lose a medical license!). Bad move: he lost her anyway. We have found that recent college grads are fully capable of the work (at least in our area, which demands a lot of indepent work and thinking). What is missing with most OJT is the breadth of education you get when you study for the certification. I know plenty of people who cut well, do stains well etc, but are lost outside the specialties of their particular laboratory, and even outside their own little area of their own lab! But, we could also discuss the breadth of knowledge of those lucky enough to be educated in a formal school setting vs OJT and then certified. It goes on and on.... Tim Morken -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Coakley Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:56 AM To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] uncertified techs in Histology Any thoughts or experiences with my fellow HT/HTL's(ASCP). What the big advantage do all these facilities think there gaining by going with unregistered techs, especially when theres always ongoing quality issues when theres so many trained certified HT looking for work? 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