Sheila, I apologize to you and Peter and to whomever else I have offended.
I view Histonet as a place where people can go for knowledge and where people can share their experiences. I was trying to share my experience with LIS systems and information system technology in general. I do admit that I had one paragraph in there about our own product, but I was trying to illustrate a point. I thought I had spent a bit of time talking about Ventana and Dako and as you've read my other posts, you've seen me mention Leica and others as well. I always talk about things from an information technology perspective. That's what I do and that's what I believe I am good at. I don't know if you're from Ventana or Daka or whomever, but please notice that I stated I have no problems with what you guys are doing. In fact, I applaud you for filling a very needed role in the industry. In other posts I've perhaps compared Leica and Ventana, but I've only done so from an information technology/interface/labeling perspective. I know very little about the chemistry involved and therefore I am not qualified to say which instrument is better suited for the task. I think everyone should ask more of their LIS vendors. In that way everyone benefits. But, how do people know what to ask for if they don't know that certain things are possible. I was hoping to encourage people to ask for further functionality from their LIS vendors... and yes, I fully admit that there was some component of publicity. However, I do feel like it was 90/10 or 80/20 knowledge vs publicity. So, please forgive me I offended anyone, but I still think there are a lot of information technology aspects that people are not aware of and that a majority of people would like to learn about. Everyone will notice that I always publish all of my contact information and my company name. I'm not trying to 'sneak something' by anyone. Competition is good for everyone. Is it not? And finally, Sheila, I wouldn't call you 'wrong'. You've got an opinion and I respect it. I just disagree. I'll shut up now, and if you or anyone else would like to talk to me please feel free to do so. (My contact information is below, but to make my email address more obvious, it is m...@pathview.com) P.S. We're at APIII at the end of September. NSH is roughly 2 weeks after that. It's hard for us to be at both conferences and APIII is more computer oriented so we thought it would be a better fit for us. If you happen to be there, please come by. You don't even have to mention your name. I'd love to hear some comments on our system. The more we hear, the better our system will become. Michael Mihalik PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369 -----Original Message----- From: Tapper, Sheila J. [mailto:stap...@smdc.org] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:39 AM To: Michael Mihalik; Mahoney,Janice A; Cordova, Jean; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments Hi Michael, I have been reading with great curiosity your postings on Histonet. Other vendors have been shot in the knees for doing what you appear to be doing! You are openly soliciting! I personally don't care to read your opinions about the various LIS and LEAN based systems that are available - only because I view you as a direct competitor! Your system may be as great you tell us - but I see it as a sales pitch. If you want to sell to histologists - you had best be at NSH. That would allow histologists to view your product right next to your competitors. I may be wrong, and if I am please correct me. Sheila -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:58 AM To: 'Mahoney,Janice A'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments Jan, we'll be at APIII in 10 days so it's going to be hard to turn around and be at NSH, but we're trying. I'd be very happy to get your and other people's opinion of our system. We think we have a very straight forward and comprehensive approach to workflow processing. It's really an unfair, but very simple advantage that we have. We built our system from the ground up with workflow in mind. Other vendors built their systems years ago and over the years they've more or less just added on. I don't know if you've ever been in the Northeast, but have you ever seen those farmhouses that are a hundred or two years old. You can see where each occupant just added on to the house. It's a big difference when you can initially build the house to provide the needed amount of living space. Our software looks like that compared to other vendors. Let me fully respond to your Vantage comment. (and btw, if anyone knows a ballpark for Vantage, please email me privately.) I'll start out with one of those SHOUTED statements. I HATE Vantage and products of that ilk. Now, let me explain. I love WHAT Vantage does. I just really, really think it all belongs in the LIS. All this tracking and audit information needs to be in ONE system. Having two systems means two purchasing costs, two systems to maintain, two systems to look into while you're trying to track down a problem, and on and on and on. The reason Ventana and Dako and others can sell this product is because LIS vendors have been slow to adopt these changes themselves. Not to toot our own horn too loud, but all this data is contained in our system. In fact, all this data is in ONE query screen not multiple screens. That's another thing that drives me nuts -- 10,000 tabs or screens to see data. Show me the things that I am most likely interested in in a query screen and make other things like audit or tracking information a quick click away. Most of the times when I query for results I need to see results. Show those results to me and only those results. However, when I need something more, don't make me go to some other tab or menu or something else that I need to use multiple clicks or tabs or whatever the heck it is. One click to see tracking information, period. I went on that 'rant' to prove a point. With Vantage, you can't do this in one simple click because it's a separate system. Now, is it better than nothing? Sure, it is. If I was you and I was stuck on my existing LIS, I'd probably go for Vantage because it's cheaper than a new system, but to be honest, I'm not even sure of that. I know Vantage is expensive. I just don't know 'how' expensive. Finally, don't get me wrong. I'm not mad or upset with Ventana or Dako or whomever. They're doing a good job filling a niche. If I'm upset with anyone, it's the LIS vendors. Of course, they're my competitors, so in a way I'm happy. Thank you all for listening. Michael Mihalik PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369 -----Original Message----- From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:janice.maho...@alegent.org] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments Cerner Millennium -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mihalik [mailto:m...@pathview.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:31 AM To: Mahoney,Janice A; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments Janice, may I ask whom you have for your LIS? Michael Mihalik PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369 -----Original Message----- From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:janice.maho...@alegent.org] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:14 AM To: 'Michael Mihalik'; 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments We have Ventana IHC instruments and Ventana Vantage for labeling, tracking, QA, workload stats, etc, etc. It allows for the best process flow you can imagine. I'm very into "processes" and this system will reduce if not eliminate your errors. We were already a LEAN lab and with the addition of Vantage we reduced TAT by about 30% and virtually eliminated labeling errors. I'd suggest looking into Vantage before I'd venture into more costly interfaces that will just get you a label that can be read by an instrument. Vantage will give you so much more. Check it out. Jan Mahoney Omaha, NE -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM To: 'Cordova, Jean'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments Actually, Jean it's a different story for Leica. With Ventana you HAVE to use THEIR labels. That's not the case with Leica. Succinctly, this means that you can use your LIS labels on a slide and the Lecia will read them and that's that. On the Ventana equipment, the slide MUST have the VENTANA slide label on the slide. Some powerpath users have gotten the powerpath barcode on the Ventana slide label and we're about to try and place our LIS slide label on the back of the slide. Purely, and I mean PURELY, from a labeling process, I would argue that the Leica is better suited for process flow. Michael Mihalik PathView Systems | cell: 214.733.7688 | 800.798.3540 | fax: 952.241.7369 -----Original Message----- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cordova, Jean Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:17 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Slide labels used with IHC Instruments While our lab doesn't have the Ventana stainer I am assuming that the principle is the same for the Leica Bond. We are using slide labels generated from PowerPath on our slides for the Bond Immunostainer.without any issues. We do have an interface in place. Jean Cordova HT/HTL (ASCP) Pathology Manager Northwest Pathology Services LLC 541-341-8039 This message is intended solely for the use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable state and federal laws. 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