James,

At our institution the techs do not go to kidney or muscle bx. The resident 
will deliver the fresh specimen to either directly to our lab or to grossing. 
Hospitals send them in fixative and transport media that we provide to them.  

My feeling is that if the techs are not there to check the adequacy of the 
specimen then there is no need for them to go. We used to do that routinely to 
ensure good material. These days we occasionally get an inadequate biopsy but 
considering we do over 700 renal and 200 muscle per year it is a very low 
percentage of the total and does not justify tech time to examine each one. 


Tim Morken
Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center
505 Parnassus Ave, Box 1656
Room S570
San Francisco, CA 94143

(415) 353-1266 (ph)
(415) 514-3403 (fax)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org



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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Vickroy, Jim
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:58 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Renal biopsies and muscle biopsies

I have been at the same hospital for over 34 years.   I have seen pathologists 
come and go, and have seen changes in services like everyone has, some good and 
some bad.  Since workflow changes demands that we do more with less, we are 
evaluating some of the extra things we do to see if  some of these duties need 
to be done by other staff and not histotechs.

In our hospital whenever a renal biopsy procedure is done in ultrasound they 
call the histology department and one of the staff go to the ultrasound and 
receive the tissue from the radiologist.  The tech then brings the tissue to 
the gross room and the grossing staff separates and processes the specimen.   
In the old days ultrasound would page the renal pathologist and the renal 
pathologist would go get the specimens and then bring them to the gross lab, 
but it seems like many things this has now been relegated to the technical 
staff.   We also pick up renal biopsies and muscle biopsies specimens from 
another hospital in the same town that sends us renal biopsies since we have 
the local renal pathologist.

We do not routinely pick up any other specimens because we have a courier 
system, but the renal and sometimes muscle biopsy service still remains in the 
hands of the histology department.  I would like to know how other hospitals 
handle transportation of specialized specimens such as renal biopsies and 
muscle biopsies.  In the old days there was a purpose for a pathologist to be 
present since often the radiologist asked the pathologist to evaluate if he or 
she had enough adequate tissue, but today with better ultrasound methods rarely 
do the radiologists ask the techs to evaluate whether enough adequate tissue 
has been taken.

I need some background information from others before I approach the powers to 
be to come up with an alternate plan so that the histotechs can spend more time 
in the lab and less time being a courier service for these biopsies.  Of course 
an alternate way will have to include a method that is reliable and not 
threaten the patient results.

Your thoughts?


James Vickroy BS, HT(ASCP)

Surgical  and Autopsy Pathology Technical Supervisor Memorial Medical Center
217-788-4046


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