2014-03-20 9:48 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine <[email protected]>: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only important >>> places? >>> >> >> because the consequence of using wikidata will be to have wikidata >> objects not only for places but also for minor streets and squares as soon >> as they change name (most of these will not have Wikipedia articles) >> > > I'd go a step beyond that and say that while targeting historic data > wikidata object identities are probably as useless as OSM objects. > > None of these identities provide for a time element to a search? > > What needs to be created is an extension to something like Nominatim or > GeoNames but with a time related axis. > > An simple example of information that has been well mapped in the last 10 > years is 'Ashchurch Parish Council'. This existed in it's previous format > until 1st April 2008 when it was broken up and while an area of housing > moved from Ashchurch to an adjoining Parish, the remaining area is now two > Parishes - Ashchurch Rural and Northway. > > Currently buried in OSM data is the original area, with it's relation to > the earlier name hierarchy, but there is no simple mechanism to extract > this data. Personally I would still like to see a proper use of start and > end dates directly in the OSM data and simply remove the 'concept' of > delete for data that HAS simply evolved, but in the absence of that, the > very minimum OHM needs to provide is access to that historic data and the > ability to improve on it where OSM simply blocks. > > 'former endonyms' are simply a facet of history which OSM processes simply > deletes. Only where those endonyms have an actual relevance today do they > fit in some peoples guide lines for current OSM data? That they need to be > mapped is a given, just where is the data stored?
In january I posted on the historic mailing list about a new open project I'd like to launch, but got no feedback. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/2014-January/000369.html It is not an extension to OSM, but really a new project that could store "what/when/where" data (OSM is about what/where), making it some kind of time-space database. Historic data could be stored and query, as well as (near) real-time events, schedules, forecasts. Project name (so far): OpenEventDatabase -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Conférence "State Of The Map" France du 4 au 6 avril à Paris<http://openstreetmap.fr/sotmfr>
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