To recap: A time slider is needed in - the map editor to allocate a suitable date or a date range to an object - the map display to select the correct display date for the map - the search for historical maps, items, events
Re: ephemeral data: There was a proposal during the Wikimedia Zürich hackathon to instantiate an OSM repository for such ephemeral data. What would be the drawbacks (and should we continue this in another thread?) Susanna 2014-05-14 15:07 GMT+03:00 SK53 <[email protected]>: > Certainly my main concern at the moment is a slider for allocating a > suitable active date range to an object in an editor, and my comments have > been from that perspective. > > I would agree that for consumption of data a single time point selector is > needed: I presume that simply dropping one of the end points on the demo > sliders would achieve that at a technical level. > > Two other comments: > > - I think some of the early use cases for OHM were for mapping > military campaigns (and specifically WWI battlefields) in which case day > level granularity is needed on the sliders. > - I realise I'm not clear about where we propose to store event > related location data (for instance, locations of ships in a sea battle, > such as Jutland/Skaggerak). This type of truly ephemeral data does not fit > particularly well with the OSM-derived model. > > Jerry > > > On 14 May 2014 12:49, Susanna Ånäs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I agree with Jan that selecting a time range for the map is not as good >> as a point in time, and also with Micru that it is required for events. >> >> In fact, we may be talking about 2 different selectors with additional >> filtering and other options for each. >> >> Cheers, >> Susanna >> >> >> >> 2014-05-14 9:24 GMT+03:00 David Cuenca <[email protected]>: >> >>> Jan: for the map itself a single slider is definitely the >>> easiest/clearest. For displaying events on it, a single slider is too >>> limited, though you could get the same functionality with range queries. >>> ("look for events that happened between 1500 and 1600, display them on a >>> 1555 map") >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Micru >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Jan Ainali <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> What I would like is not primarily a range slider (although there might >>>> be cases where that might be interesting). But my primary use case is to >>>> see the map for a specific point in time. That also gives the benefit in >>>> not having "double" objects at the map. If you have a range, you might have >>>> features being built, destroyed and then new ones being built in that >>>> range. How would that be rendered? >>>> >>>> >>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* >>>> >>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige<http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida> >>>> >>>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>>> >>>> >>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-13 22:27 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Derek: nice! >>>>> >>>>> Jerry: it is possible to input the dates in the slider, but it would >>>>> need a date formatter >>>>> http://ghusse.github.io/jQRangeSlider/options.html#typeOption >>>>> >>>>> About the precision, I would keep it as simple as possible, with years >>>>> as default and the option to change it if needed. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Micru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM, SK53 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> These examples are certainly close to what I started trying to mock >>>>>> up for my recent blog post, but decided would take too long to make look >>>>>> reasonable. >>>>>> >>>>>> My one comment on the implementations is that it should be possible >>>>>> to type a date into the text box showing the date on the slider. Ideally >>>>>> the date display would also provide some mechanism to indicate date >>>>>> 'fuzziness'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Way out in the future one might imagine a slider being non-linear >>>>>> using speed of change to allow for more precise date selection (a la >>>>>> panning on tablets/phones). >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2014 18:53, Derek Kniffin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Micru and Jaime, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was just playing with a jsfiddle using jQRangeSlider, to see what >>>>>>> I could come up with. Here's what I got: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/vM844/1233/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope that helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Derek >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:49 PM, David Cuenca <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jaime, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good starting point. Maybe you could also take a look to this one >>>>>>>> to get some ideas? >>>>>>>> http://ghusse.github.io/jQRangeSlider/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some things I like of this one: >>>>>>>> - you can drag the central area and both sliders move with it >>>>>>>> - the date is displayed in the slider >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Things that it is missing: >>>>>>>> - a precision selector (century, year, day) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Micru >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Jaime Schatz < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've got a very, very (*very*) early prototype of a TimeSlider >>>>>>>>> for users to select dates on the OHM. I didn't want to get too far >>>>>>>>> down a >>>>>>>>> rabbit hole without checking in. Not sure if this is the place to >>>>>>>>> post it - >>>>>>>>> it's also on Bugzilla and referenced in the Github issues for OHM. >>>>>>>>> Feedback (on the actual slider as well as on where/how to post >>>>>>>>> things like >>>>>>>>> this) is more than welcome!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Github issue: >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/ohm-website/issues/15 >>>>>>>>> Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62900 >>>>>>>>> Protype: http://jaimelynschatz.github.io/timeslider-mvp.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> :) JaimeLyn >>>>>>>>> Gnome/OPW Intern >>>>>>>>> UTC - 7/PDT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Historic mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Historic mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Historic mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Historic mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Historic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Historic mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >> >> >
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