Rob & the list - Is there a metadata standard for historical geodata we should be encouraging / eventually enforcing for contributions?
Even if there's not a perfect fit, it would be interesting to see the differences between that effort & what the OHM/OSM key:value structures can support easily. Enforcing start_date at the API level might be a start in this area? - Jeff On Saturday, December 27, 2014, Rob H Warren <[email protected]> wrote: > > We have been trying to fit substantially more information into the OSM > tagging schema than it was originally meant to support. Workarounds are > available for simple things with start_date and end_date, but we can only > go so far with things like 'DisusedRailroad'. > > From other work, the recording of historical GIS data requires: > > a) Labelling by language, datetime and by source. The 'source' is > necessary to keep sanity when dealing with multiple nomenclatures used by > different people. > b) The associated feature by datetime. > c) The different geometries associated to the features by datetime. > d) The different states (active, disused, abandoned, damaged) by datetime. > > The above is the only way to capture all of the use cases you mention. > Given the amount of work that an NEH submission is going to be, perhaps we > should look at a redesign of what is under the hood. OSM is already using > two different databases for editing and rendering! > > best, > rhw > > > On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] > <javascript:;> wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:20:07 -0800 > > From: Jeff Meyer <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > > To: Richard Welty <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > > Cc: "[email protected] <javascript:;>" < > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > > Subject: Re: [OHM] tagging for historic race tracks > > Message-ID: > > <CAA1fFexccePOAQ= > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > These are great questions to consider - I've asked the same thing about > how > > to represent historical Tour de France routes on a year by year basis. > > > > I'll defer to others on this list on how to handle, but I did think there > > was something similar to bus routes that might be reappropriated for this > > type of application (e.g. a use-based set of tags, rather than > > feature-based). > > > > Do you want to take stab at figuring out a starting point for tagging > > conventions for this stuff & posting it on the wiki? He who writes first > > writes best? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Richard Welty <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > >> > >> more fun tagging issues to consider: > >> > >> 1) the original watkins glen course (1948 through > >> the early 50s) ran on public roads that still exist. > >> so it could be tagged in OSM. but maybe it should > >> be in OHM instead? what do we do? it will never > >> be raced on again. > >> > >> 2) there are traces of old ovals in the form of > >> city streets, one which is complete in San > >> Francisco, and one which is only in part in > >> Rhode Island. so these could be partially or > >> completely tagged in OSM. again, what > >> should best practice be? once more, these > >> will never be race tracks again. > >> > >> > >> > >> richard > >> > >> -- > >> [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> Averill Park Networking - GIS & IT Consulting > >> OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux > >> Java - Web Applications - Search > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Historic mailing list > >> [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic > >> > > > > -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org [email protected] 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM) <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map> / my OSM user page <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer> t: @GWHAThistory <https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory> / @OpenHistMap f: GWHAThistory <https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory>
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