Tim, I'm interested in having the link.
PS: This is for the whole list: what's the best workflow for getting Shapefiles or GeoJSON into the editors (iD/JOSM)? On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Tim Waters <[email protected]> wrote: > I've uploaded the NHGIS Historical States & Counties shapefile to a > server, can give the link via IRC or just ask via email if you want to use > it. It's a 237mb tarball. > > I believe the data is from the US Census dept which I think is public > domain? But I couldn't find much on the NHGIS site about their license - I > think they ask for attribution if the data is used in academic reports. > > We selected U.S. state, territory, and county boundaries for every decade > from 1790 to 2000, which are included as polygons. For the sake of > simplicity, we pulled together all of the records and merged the records > over the decades for which a geometry did not change (viz. boundaries > remained stable). This therefore includes decade ranges and geometries for > both states and counties. > > Tim > > On 26 March 2015 at 10:58, Tim Waters <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You can also get US historical county boundaries from >> https://www.nhgis.org/ >> >> For the LoC's gazetteer, we at Topomancy got all boundaries per decade >> and merged the geometries with start and end date stamps together where the >> geometry has not changed from period to period >> >> >> http://loc.gazetteer.us/search?q=amelia%20virginia&page=1&bbox=-79.17022705078125,36.033552893400376,-76.55548095703125,37.844494798834596&origins=nhgis >> >> I'm not sure of the licensing of this NHGIS dataset, but I should be able >> to find the shapefile easily enough. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim >> >> On 25 March 2015 at 22:44, Jeff Meyer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Todd - >>> >>> It would be great if you could take the lead on patching / >>> collaboratively drafting. We do need some help here. >>> >>> That said... this is a big question area - how _do_ we want to manage >>> the data inside OHM? We aren't bound to adhere to the OSM ODBL license >>> (apologies if I'm out of date on the latest OSM licensing thinking). But, >>> if we have plans to import much OSM data (a la city stripping), which is a >>> huge advantage of leveraging the OSM stack and data, we should think >>> carefully about how we mix data from OSM along with data from other sources >>> (e.g. Open Context, Pleaides) that might cc0-based/variations of database >>> licenses (and possibly preferable to ODBL for OHM). >>> >>> This all makes me wonder if all OHM imports and data entry should be >>> explicitly tagged with a data source (for provenance and copyright >>> purposes). >>> >>> We definitely need some leadership here (Todd?) & I'd be glad to recruit >>> legal assistance to help us figure out / implement what is is we'd like to >>> do. >>> >>> - Jeff >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:17 PM, [email protected] < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> That's great to know! On a related note: we need to update this >>>> documentation ASAP: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/copyright >>>> >>>> Is this something I could patch? Or do we want to draft it >>>> collaboratively? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:12 PM, [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very important points Jerry. Thank you! I guess I'll start tracing >>>>> these by hand in JOSM/geojson.io then. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> A more direct route could be to discuss a change in licensing directly >>>>> with The Newberry. Sounds like the idea is off the table for now though. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> –Tod >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:08 PM, SK53 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The data are CC-BY-NC-SA. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not something we have talked about in any detail, but in general >>>>>> I would assume we want to work OHM on license terms similar or equivalent >>>>>> to OSM (i.e., ODbL, which allow commercial usage). The academic world >>>>>> tends >>>>>> to release things CC-BY-NC-SA, but recent German case law interprets that >>>>>> as 'for private use only', e.g., publication in a journal published by a >>>>>> for-profit company, even if the author receives no payment, would (quite >>>>>> rightly IMO) be deemed commercial. >>>>>> >>>>>> This does raise a problem because many in the digital humanities are >>>>>> fine with CC-BY-NC-SA, there is no consensus to accept eliminating the >>>>>> non-commercial restriction. It also means that certain fine digital >>>>>> humanities data collections are not directly usable in OHM. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an issue which we need to discuss. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry >>>>>> >>>>>> PS. I have looked at time to time at historical boundaries in England >>>>>> & Wales: even quite recent boundary changes would be useful, just to >>>>>> interpret some current Open Data releases. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 March 2015 at 17:39, [email protected] < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone want to work with me to get these boundary changes into OHM? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tod Robbins >>>>>>> Digital Asset Manager, MLIS >>>>>>> todrobbins.com | @todrobbins <http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Historic mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tod Robbins >>>>> Digital Asset Manager, MLIS >>>>> todrobbins.com | @todrobbins <http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tod Robbins >>>> Digital Asset Manager, MLIS >>>> todrobbins.com | @todrobbins <http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Historic mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Meyer >>> Global World History Atlas >>> www.gwhat.org >>> [email protected] >>> 206-676-2347 >>> >>> OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch >>> osm: Open Historical Map (OHM) >>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map> / my OSM user >>> page <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer> >>> t: @GWHAThistory <https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory> / @OpenHistMap >>> f: GWHAThistory <https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Historic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic >>> >>> >> > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins <http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins>
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