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This page will eventually become the !HiveMind FAQ. The idea is that people
ask questions and that other !HiveMind users and developers respond and comment
until a "accepted solution" is reached. Eventually we will be able to compile
a list of questions and accepted solutions into a more official FAQ for the
!HiveMind website.
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-'''Q.''' (DanielFeist 21/06/2004)
-
-InjectingNonServiceFactoryObtainedObjects
-
-"Is there anyway to inject a service, using the BuilderFactory, with an object
obtained by invoking a method of another service. I can think of many cases
were this would be very useful but it doesn't seem to be possible. Concrete
examples are as follows ..... "
-
-''(Maybe this is a ChangeProposal rather than a question. That depends on the
answer ... lets wait and see and possibly move it is it doesn't belong here)''
-
-Is there anyway to inject a service, using the BuilderFactory, with an object
obtained by invoking a method of another service. I can think of many cases
were this would be very useful but it doesn't seem to be possible. Concrete
examples are as follows:
-
-''Example 1'': I have a Mailer service which depends on, and uses, a
datasource to obtain email address. This datasource is to be obtained via JNDI
so i decide to use the NameLookup service to obtain the datasource. As the
datasource is not a service but rather the result from executing a lookup
method of a service it seems i am limited from injecting it into my Mailer
service through declarative configuration in the hivemodule.sdl.
-
-''Example 2'': I have a Mailer service which uses a Properties to obtain
email address. The backing store of the properties has to be flexible and
configurable so i decide to create a !PropertyFactory service that returns a
Properties object for a given locator and whose backing store is defined and
configured through a configuration point. This is a good solution to my
problem but as in example 1 I cannot inject this properties into my Mailer
Service.
-
-On a side note: If this type of injection is possible then a clean solution to
my change proposal ModuleResourcesProposal is very simple. Resources would be
created using a factory specifically designed to do this (much like the
BeanFactory) which would also manage backing-store type and synchronization
issues. These resources could then be injected into services by using
!ResourceFactory's get method to obtain the resource.
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-
-HowardLewisShip: Seems that !BuilderFactory could do this, by changing the
nested {{{set-service}}} element to have an additional attribute,
-{{{read-property}}} that would be a property of the service to read as the
value to assign to the service implementation under construction. Perhaps
{{{set-service}}} should be left alone, and there should be a
{{{read-service-property}}} element added instead.
-
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-DanielFeist:
-What we are actually want to set here (in order to accomplish what is
explained in the examples above) is not as you mentioned the property of
another service (i.e. allowing the copying properties between servcies) BUT
rather the value obtained from invoking a method of another service. Something
like the following would be needed as a nested BuilderFactory element in order
to set a property of the service in construction with an object (in this case a
datasource) obtained from another factory/lookup service:
-
-{{{
-set-service-method-return-value (property=datasource
service-id=hivemind.lib.NameLookup method=lookup){
- argument{
- java:/jdbc/myDS
- }
- argument (translator=class)
- javax.sql.DataSource
- }
-}
-}}}.
-
-Obviosly the name i have put 'set-service-method-return-value' is rather long
and would need to be improved. I've put that name in the example so it is
clear what in fact the functionality is.
-
-HowardLewisShip: Going down this path, you quickly get to the point where you
want to use ["OGNL"] for this ... or a full scripting language. I don't have an
objection to that as an add-on, but don't think it is right for the core
module. The fact that you can add this (by creating your own service
implementation factory) is good enough.
-
-DanielFeist: What about including just the basics of this functionality in the
core module? I am keen on seeing this available to be able to do such simple
things such as inject an object obtained from the BeanFactory or similair
without the complexity of having to implement and define your own service
implementation factory. For more complex situations, where more than one
String attribute is required yes its fair enough to have extend the
BuilderFactory.
-
-{{{
-set-service-method-value (property=myBean service-id=my.lib.MyFactory
method=get argument=myBean)}
-}}}
-
-The addition of this functionality to the BulderFactory doesn't actually
require changes to the core module implementation but rather just the addition
of an element in the BuilderFactory schema definition and a translator. Is
there anyway of extending BuilderFactory's schema defined in core hivemind
module?
-
-HowardLewisShip: I think there may be a proposal about making it easier to
reuse and extend portions of a schema. !BuilderFactory's parameter's schema is
massively complex.
-
-An OGNL builder parameter element might look something like:
-
-{{{
-set-expression (property=datasource expression=<<
- service["hivemind.lib.NameLookup"].lookup("java:/jdbc/myDS")
->>)
-}}}
-
-This would imply a magic {{{service}}} property attached to {{{Module}}} that
could invoke {{{getService(String,Class)}}}. I may end up building something
like this for Tapestry, since Tapestry already has an OGNL dependency.
-
-DanielFeist: What then, in terms of !HiveMind 1.0 (assuming no OGNL) is the
solution to the simple problem put forward in the two initial examples?
Implement and define in sdl my own !CustomBuilderFactory (the implementation of
builder factory would be identical but with a slightly more complex schema)?
There's no simpler solution? I think considering OGNL or something similar to
make builder paramenters simpler and more flexible for the next version is a
good move.
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-HowardLewisShip: A completely reasonable and testable solution is to assign
the service (i.e. {{{hivemind.lib.NameLookup}}} to a property of your service,
and use the {{{initialize-method}}} attribute to have your service initialize.
In Java code, you can access the methods of the collaborating services.
-
-DanielFeist: Yes that's a good workable solution the downside it that its not
100% IOC i.e. the !DataSource is not being injected but rather work has to be
done in the services init method to obtian the datasource. In !HiveMinds
current state that is the best solution I suppose. I do believe though that
the ability to be able to inject other objects that are not services or
configurations (obtained from a lookup/factory service) is an important
functionality that should certainly be considered as not everything we might
want to use and inject can or should de represented as a service.
+'''Question:''' ''''InjectingNonServiceFactoryObtainedObjects'''' (DanielFeist
21/06/2004)
-DanielFeist: I've just been looking at the BeanFactory and translator and it
would seem that you have actually started implementation of something that
allows the us to obtain objects from a factory. The PiplineFactoryService, for
example uses, in its configuration contributions, beans obtained from the
BeanFactory. This is good and works well for the needs of the
PipelineFactoryService configuration but it would be far more flexible to be
able to obtain an object from any POJOF (plain old java object facotry) and not
just from a BeanFactory. Is there anyway of doing the same sort of thing but
allowing the use of arbitary user implemented factories (not neccessarly
implementing BeanFactory)? Maybe it would be possible to extend the
!ObjectTranslator or !BeanTranslator to do this.
+Is there anyway to inject a service, using the BuilderFactory, with an object
obtained by invoking a method of another service thus allowing non-service
objects to be obtained from a POJOF (plain old java object factory) for
injection?
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