*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } { Hantarkan mesej anda ke: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } { Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke [EMAIL PROTECTED] } *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seperti yang dijanjikan, warga HizbiNet akan berpeluang membaca perdebatan antara Tiger dengan Aishah (wanita Melayu Kristian). Perlu diingatkan bahawa jawapan yang diberi oleh Aishah bukan semestinya dia yang menjawab, tetapi hasil penelitian satu team kawan-kawannya yang berugama Kristian. Perhatikan dimanakah silap akidah orang-orang Kristian. =================================== Subject: Ketuhanan. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:56:50 +0800 From: Tiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: aishah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Terima kasih untuk email saudara. Saudara kurang faham mengenai > kesucian Allah. Allah terlalu suci untuk manusia yang penuh dosa > mendekatinya. This is why we need perantaraan Isa. No one with even a > single tiny sin can approach Allah directly. Allah is light, completely > holy. I come to know that you were once a Muslim. I hope I am not being offensive. Keep this communication going. I am a Malaysian Chinese and embraced Islam about 25 years ago. I have been studying comparative religions, especially between Islam and Christianity. I have a good reason why I want to write to you. I am not in any way trying to ridicule you. What's the difference between us? You are now a Christian, and it would be wise if we could compare notes. The way I understand God is a bit different from you. I believe God is One and is beyond grasp. My idea of God is that he being holy, has nothing to do with man's sinfulness. God is a perfect being. We humans are not perfect and have the tendency to sin. The way I understand is, God being holy and perfect, he is also being wise. That is God is WISE. He created humans so that we could worship him. When God created Adam/Eve, he knew the possibility that humans could make a mistake. What *if* Adam could sin, would God be ready to forgive him? Islam says that when Adam sinned that caused his fall, God foreknew that could possibly happen. He as a FORGIVING God, could exercise his will to forgive man if Adam asked for forgiveness. The picture that the Quran has given us is that Adam regretted for having disobeyed God and sinned. God taught him *how* to ask for forgiveness and he and Eve were forgiven. The simple teaching of Islam. Since the Christians put so much stress on God's holiness, when Adam sinned, he offended God so much that God became very angry. He deserved to die, that means Adam and Eve would be obliterated forever. Adam failed God. Because the "death" punishment that Adam deserved was carried out, God then thought of *redeeming* Adam. One way was to send his only Son, that is God the Son, the other member of the triune God to die as a sacrifice. So mankind will be finally redeemed and gain salvation by believing that Jesus died for them. And God was appeased by his Son's death through crucifixion. The blood was shed as an accepted sacrifice. In Islam, God is what he is. He is holy. We being sinful humans can still reach God by constantly remembering him, always ask for his forgiveness and guidance. This is to show that we as weak beings must depend on God. His holiness is what God is, it has nothing to do with our sins offending his holiness. That's why Muslims always pray for forgiveness, because ONLY God who has all the right to forgive. Muslims believe that we are not tainted by the *original sin*, and that doesn't hinders us from getting much closer to God. Her could get as close to God as we could strive to be *spiritually*. In Christianity, the so-called *original sin* is what is preventing humans from reaching God. It is also very strange that the Jews who wrote the Old Testament have never taught of anything like the original sin is such a disturbing problem. Only the Christians are people who invented this original sin. > To approach Allah, I must be perfect with no sin whatever. Neither > you nor I are that good. So we must approach Allah through the > perfection of Isa. The forgiveness that Isa made through the > cross gives me the right to approach Allah. The moment I rememeber Allah, I would tremble because I "see" that he is the Almighty God. God is perfect, for this reason we think that his perfection is already what he is. Nothing at all can ever turn him imperfect for any moment. We always sin, be it big or small and for this reason we yearn to be perfect BUT we can NEVER ever be perfect.This is the teaching of Islam. It's the love pangs that make us always want to get closer to God spiritually, not physically and not needing any intermediary. There is no such thing for a need of intermediary in Islam. In other words, if I as a human ... my soul and mind will reach God *directly* because God has already created us to have such capacity. The notion that we need "something" as an intermediary between God and human, is a sign that humans tend to think of God as a weak being. His holiness is so aloaf from us that he was not capable of creating us having the capacity to reach and approach him. That's doesn't make sense. My mouth would praise God at any moment, I am sure God is always hearing and knowing what I am saying. If you think that God doesn't like me because he is holy and I am a sinful being ... then WHY did he create me to be like that, the liability to sin? Islam says..if I sin, God is offended, then I simply have to ask for his forgiveness. Jesus? You believe he is God? And I don't need Jesus or anyone to help me reach God. You are making God sound weak and silly. I always believe that God is close to us, surely he knows what we humans are. We pray to him for our own good. Being sinful has not degraded God's holiness. WHY? It is because God is already holy, we being sinful doesn't make him less holy. I could prefer the islamic way of appraoching God. I am doing it on my own. Its more fun to pray to God this way. No need to go through anyone or anything ...just call God ... and he knows that we need him. That's why we say Islam is a straightforward religion. Right now, I know that God knows what I am doing. He has never been too far away from me because he *feels* that he dislike me that I am tainted with that *original sin*. In Islam we are all born sinless. As we keep on living, there will always be sins that we gather, because its our nature that we are imperfect. That's the reason, Adam being a human was succumbed to sinning because he was a human. He could sin and he could also not sin. Only God being the Perfect being can never ever sin. We can never be perfect because we cannot be like God. We are striving to achieve a perfection, but not the perfection what God is. Sekian, wassalaam. TIGER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ( Melanggan ? To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] pada body : SUBSCRIBE HIZB) ( Berhenti ? To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] pada body: UNSUBSCRIBE HIZB) ( Segala pendapat yang dikemukakan tidak menggambarkan ) ( pandangan rasmi & bukan tanggungjawab HIZBI-Net ) ( Bermasalah? Sila hubungi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pengirim: Tiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>