I loved dev-c++ but its absolute waff for a larger code base.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews Sent: 26 October 2004 16:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ arr, don't mind me, I'm pretty much a nub when it comes to all the Microsoft Studio products, though I did find Dev-C++ easier to navigate at first glance, so maybe I'm not as stupid as I think... :o - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews Dave R. Meyers wrote: >I have been using .net pretty much since it came out, and yes there is a >learning curve, but it is not that bad if you stick to what you know and >then slowly add new things. I find some of the features very helpful, my >favorite would have to be the collapse all feature that will collapse >everything down to the function (like windows folders). > >Yeah Tei. I had the same issue trying the express download, but after I >downloaded the files manually, everything worked fine. There was a link off >to the side that says if you are having download problems go here. 8) > >I did and it is all fine now. I will try out .net 2005 for a bit and see >what is different if anything, but for now it is not a big priority. > >Starbreaker > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce "Bahamut" >Andrews >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:53 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [hlcoders] http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ > >meh, I had a look at visual studio .NET, it didn't seem particularly >helpful at first glance, but that's probably because I don't know much >about it. Steep learning curve != good application o.O > >- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > > >tei wrote: > > > >>No, I like the idea to distribute a compiler for free. But Its only the >>use of SMB over internet that is a brain damaged idea. Of course, not >>work in a firewalled system. HTTP is the way to go. >> >>About money, the linux kernel is 628M $ and the GCC compiler is 190M $, >>both for free and withouth limitations of use. Much better than this: >> >> "Under their license you can not legally distribute what you have >>'compiled' with the beta software, nor can you use it in a buisness >>enviroment . Even so you can develop a full product in a hobby setting >>using them and have someone with the full software 'compile' the >>distributable for you. Either way for Mod developers wanting to get up >>to speed as quickly and cheaply as possible it definatly is a route to >>take. " (Lyme) >> >>I also like the VC6 gui more than the compiler. GCC or CL both are cool, >>but Its the VC6 gui that its very usefull for develop apps. If Microsoft >>not provice for free the GUI, a better compiler is GCC because its FREE, >>you can distribute mods compiled with GCC and not with that express >>version of VC. >> >>Anyway v++express its not the only Microsoft compiler out here. >> >>The 'Visual C++ Toolkit' its also free to download on the microsoft >>network, and looks like better... >> >>http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ >> >>And that installer WORKS. >> >>Forget the express version, Its crap (at least the Installer) >> >> >>Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well it'd be stupid of Microsoft to release a "beta" of software that >>>costs ~1000 dollars brand new and let people develop software with it >>>for their own purposes... It is, after all, just an extended test :/ >>> >>>- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews >>> >>> >>> >>>tei wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>ridiculous, that installer need to download data with "file and printer >>>>sharing" ,the SMB protocol ,on port 445. >>>> >>>>Lets me thing.. humm.. I am not THAT stupid to open "file and printer >>>>sharing" to internet. Or I am? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta. >>>>>" Also, there is no "Go Live" license for this beta release, so >>>>>your use >>>>>of this beta is limited to testing and evaluation only." >>>>> >>>>>I assume that refers to your ability to distribute software you create >>>>>with it? >>>>>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/ >>>>> >>>>>- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Adam "amckern" Mckern wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>What is that aimed at the GCF? or the msvc? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- "Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews" >>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>You aren't allowed to distribute anything you make >>>>>>>using it (legally) so >>>>>>>it's pretty pointless to use it isn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Adam "amckern" Mckern wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think back to an old december 2003 iterview, and >>>>>>>>understand the sdk will come via steam, i might see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>if >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>some one could upload a gcf, for me to use at home >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I am also useing .net 2005, its free, so i'm gona >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>use >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>it till it dies >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>===== >>>>>>>>http://ammahls.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________ >>>>>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>>>>Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! >>>>>>>>http://vote.yahoo.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>the list archives, please visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >>>>>>>the list archives, please visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>===== >>>>>>http://ammahls.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>please visit: >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
