Until someone from VALVe decides to look into this, it's all speculation. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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Re: WARNING: VAC may be banning developers bymisdetecting > server plugins as cheats. (Michael Barr) > 6. Re: WARNING: VAC may be banning developers bymisdetecting > server plugins as cheats. (Michael Barr) > 7. Re: WARNING: VAC may be banning developers bymisdetecting > server plugins as cheats. (Tom Leighton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:26:16 +0000 > From: Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers by > misdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > In that case, he is either lying, or has somehow gotten the same > checksum as another cheat by accident. > > Remember that we do NOT know definitively how VAC works, and can only > ASSUME it's using checksums, and is not detecting any kind of core > system hooks or anything like that... > > The only reason that checksums come to mind is that it's pretty > definitive cheat detection, but not 100% definitive depending on what > they're using. > > Olly wrote: > > I wasn't refering to anyone, but just to say that just because everyone > > knows someone, doesn't mean you should always trust them. Maybe I am > wrong > > (I hope I am) and this is a mistake on valves end. But you see too many > > posts like this from people that try to find any excuse to get their > games > > back. > > Sorry if I caused any offence, it wasn't meant >< > > > > 2008/11/5 Saul Rennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> Garry Glitter is a kiddie fiddler, that's quite offensive if your > >> referencing the OP. All of us that have posted here have been (legally) > >> playing CS:S since Day 1. > >> > >> 2008/11/5 Olly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > >>> Garry glitter is well known, has been around for a loooonog time, and > >>> doesn't post here often, but would you believe anything he would say > >>> > >> about > >> > >>> what he gets up-to in his spare time? > >>> > >>> 2008/11/5 Keeper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> > >>>> #1) these guys are not unknown. They have been around for a looooong > >>>> > >>> time. > >>> > >>>> Just not active on this list. > >>>> > >>>> #2) Do you honestly think anybody here gives any credence to your > >>>> > >>> opinion? > >>> > >>>> Especially now that you admit to having cheated multiple times??? > Nah, > >>>> just > >>>> do us all a favor and unsubscribe. > >>>> > >>>> Dang, now I've responded to you and am all out of troll food. :( > >>>> > >>>> Good day! > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:28 PM > >>>> To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers by > >>>> misdetecting server plugins as cheats. > >>>> > >>>> I call bullshit on this entire mess. Seems like someone got vac > >>>> banned, and now they want to blame it on custom plugin or some crap. > >>>> The 10 unknown people (who have never posted here before) entering > >>>> this discussion "ensuring" that this isn't a cheater who got banned > >>>> for hacking only reinforces my belief. > >>>> > >>>> I have never, ever heard of anyone being vac banned falsely. Also, I > >>>> have used cheats many times and not been banned. You get what I am > >>>> saying? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Thanks, > >> - Saul. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:35:11 -0800 > From: "Kevin Ottalini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, the > command lines you added. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Barr" > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > > > > Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if not > > more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > similar > > posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > discussion. > > If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks or > > cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I have > > nothing but good intentions here. > > > > The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of genuine > > concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what I > > stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > > point. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:46:20 +1100 > From: "Jonathan Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Exactly what he said, this is a pretty serious accusation and if you want > help you need to give as much information as possible (perhaps even zipping > up all the plugins you were running?) and send it directly to a Valve > developer on this list. > > Can I ask why have so many people been VAC-banned by the plugins but it's > only now being reported? > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, the > > command lines you added. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Barr" > > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" < > hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > > > > > > > Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if > not > > > more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > > similar > > > posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > > discussion. > > > If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks > or > > > cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I > have > > > nothing but good intentions here. > > > > > > The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of genuine > > > concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what > I > > > stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > > > point. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > -- > Programmer for Resistance and Liberation > www.resistanceandliberation.com > Programmer for Red Tribe > www.redtribe.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:22:56 +0000 > From: Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Because people go to steam powered user forums and then get flamed, etc. > > Because people go to steam support and get told they will NOT EVER be > unbanned. > > And then we have the programmers and people who know what they are > doing, and know for a fact themselves that it wasnt a hack, and go out > of their way to prove it that VAC had a false positive. > > It will certainly be interesting to learn of the outcome of this. > > Jonathan Murphy wrote: > > Exactly what he said, this is a pretty serious accusation and if you want > > help you need to give as much information as possible (perhaps even > zipping > > up all the plugins you were running?) and send it directly to a Valve > > developer on this list. > > > > Can I ask why have so many people been VAC-banned by the plugins but it's > > only now being reported? > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > > >> Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, the > >> command lines you added. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Michael Barr" > >> To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" < > hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > >> bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if > not > >>> more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > >>> > >> similar > >> > >>> posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > >>> > >> discussion. > >> > >>> If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks > or > >>> cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I > have > >>> nothing but good intentions here. > >>> > >>> The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of genuine > >>> concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what > I > >>> stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > >>> point. > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:30 -0500 > From: "Michael Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Well, I have 2 games that I play. Below I will outline all games & plugins > that I use. > > Team Fortress 2: (EventScripts 2.0 for Orange Box) > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=213018#213018 > > Counter-Strike: Source: > (EventScripts 2.0 for Source Engine) > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=242607#242607 > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=160271#160271 > > (GunGame Utils --- used to respawn players, and change teams without > killing > players) > http://forums.gungame5.com/download.php > > All of the above are pretty much it. Of course, I have a full directory of > scripts and tests scripts that I wrote, but the main one I use and test > would be GunGame5. The SVN for GunGame5 can be found here: > http://code.google.com/p/gungame-python/ > > I will double check on my other machine. There is a possibility that > ES_Tools might be installed on it, but that would be it to my knowledge. > > Thanks Again, > > Michael > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, the > > command lines you added. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Barr" > > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" < > hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > > > > > > > Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if > not > > > more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > > similar > > > posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > > discussion. > > > If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks > or > > > cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I > have > > > nothing but good intentions here. > > > > > > The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of genuine > > > concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what > I > > > stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > > > point. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:56:08 -0500 > From: "Michael Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Also, attached is the sigscan method that is used by the plugin author. He > was kind enough to zip it up for me, but it is Greek to me. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Michael Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I have 2 games that I play. Below I will outline all games & > plugins > > that I use. > > > > Team Fortress 2: (EventScripts 2.0 for Orange Box) > > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=213018#213018 > > > > Counter-Strike: Source: > > (EventScripts 2.0 for Source Engine) > > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=242607#242607 > > http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=160271#160271 > > > > (GunGame Utils --- used to respawn players, and change teams without > > killing players) > > http://forums.gungame5.com/download.php > > > > All of the above are pretty much it. Of course, I have a full directory > of > > scripts and tests scripts that I wrote, but the main one I use and test > > would be GunGame5. The SVN for GunGame5 can be found here: > > http://code.google.com/p/gungame-python/ > > > > I will double check on my other machine. There is a possibility that > > ES_Tools might be installed on it, but that would be it to my knowledge. > > > > Thanks Again, > > > > Michael > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > >> Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, the > >> command lines you added. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Michael Barr" > >> To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" < > >> hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > >> bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > >> > >> > >> > Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if > >> not > >> > more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > >> similar > >> > posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > >> discussion. > >> > If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks > or > >> > cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I > have > >> > nothing but good intentions here. > >> > > >> > The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of > genuine > >> > concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what > I > >> > stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > >> > point. > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:08:45 +0000 > From: Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming > <hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The list strips attachments Mike, you'd be better off pastebinning it > somewhere, say, http://pb.luahelp.net/ > > > Michael Barr wrote: > > Also, attached is the sigscan method that is used by the plugin author. > He > > was kind enough to zip it up for me, but it is Greek to me. > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Michael Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Well, I have 2 games that I play. Below I will outline all games & > plugins > >> that I use. > >> > >> Team Fortress 2: (EventScripts 2.0 for Orange Box) > >> http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=213018#213018 > >> > >> Counter-Strike: Source: > >> (EventScripts 2.0 for Source Engine) > >> http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=242607#242607 > >> http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?p=160271#160271 > >> > >> (GunGame Utils --- used to respawn players, and change teams without > >> killing players) > >> http://forums.gungame5.com/download.php > >> > >> All of the above are pretty much it. Of course, I have a full directory > of > >> scripts and tests scripts that I wrote, but the main one I use and test > >> would be GunGame5. The SVN for GunGame5 can be found here: > >> http://code.google.com/p/gungame-python/ > >> > >> I will double check on my other machine. There is a possibility that > >> ES_Tools might be installed on it, but that would be it to my knowledge. > >> > >> Thanks Again, > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Please post exactly what you were doing, what addons you were using, > the > >>> command lines you added. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Michael Barr" > >>> To: "Discussion of Half-Life Programming" < > >>> hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:23 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: VAC may be banning developers > >>> bymisdetecting server plugins as cheats. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Trust me, I expected to be flamed. I have been just as skeptical, if > >>>> > >>> not > >>> > >>>> more, than a few that have replied in this thread when I have seen > >>>> > >>> similar > >>> > >>>> posts, and thought the same thing. This is an "open forum" for > >>>> > >>> discussion. > >>> > >>>> If it makes someone feel better to call me a script kiddie that hacks > or > >>>> cheats, feel free to do so. Feel free to question my motives, but I > have > >>>> nothing but good intentions here. > >>>> > >>>> The primary point of this posting is simple. It is a warning of > genuine > >>>> concern, as I can not see any reasoning behind the ban aside from what > I > >>>> stated above. While I would love to be unbanned, that is not quite the > >>>> point. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > End of hlcoders Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
