They would care if EVERYONE shut down there server until VAC is updated but you pussies wont get together on it.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? They care - but how much do they care? How many thousands of CS servers are out there still running? If a hundred or even a thousand servers shut down in protest, who cares? There are plenty of servers still running. There is no shortage of servers to play on. Valve won't change the way they do things untill there are mass desertions, and that isn't likely to happen. It's like this old man sitting on his porch, with his dog laying at his feet. Every now and then the dog lifts his head and lets out this mournfull howl. Then he lays down again. A stranger passing by asked the old man what was wrong with his dog. "Well, you see, he is laying on a nail, and it hurts him". "Well, why doesn't he get off of it and lay somewhere else?". "Because although it hurts, it only hurts enough to complain about it, it doesn't hurt enough to actually take any action". And that is how 99.999% of the server operators are. We all complain and moan and groan, but we just don't hurt enough to actually do something about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Nine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > I dont think they care if you shut down your server. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darren J. Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:51 AM > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > > You missed my sarcasm and my point. Unlike you, I am a man of action - I > > shut my CS server down completely. I and my regulars agree that we will > > not > > operate or admin a server which benefits Valve when they refuse to address > > basic issues which directly affect the quality of game play (VAC). So put > > up > > or shut up bro. You say we need to do something - I already have, where's > > your contribution???? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew R. Mitcham > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:20 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > > Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who > > doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime anyone complains > > about > > VALVe not updating VAC or not closing loopholes, someone who doesn't work > > for VALVe or have ANY insight into VALVe tells everyone to be patient > > because VALVe is working on something. > > > > I don't know about the rest of you server owners, but I'm absolutely SICK > > and TIRED of hearing this. I've heard it during 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, and > > now > > even Source. STFU!!!!! Please!!!!! We need something to happen... NOW and > > we > > need to hear it from VALVe people that this issue is now a top priority. > > They screwed us with the release dates for HL2, the December update was a > > laughing stock and COMPLETE failure. > > > > I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942 or UT2K4 or something. > > And don't tell me "Good, then uninstall and leave us all alone" because I > > have dealt with this SHIT for YEARS... literally. This may be the Dos > > Equis > > talking, but we need to do something (server owners) and let VALVe know > > that > > this CRAP is not going to stand anymore. The pile of shitty lies and > > ignorance is getting too high. WE MAKE THE GAMES HAPPEN. WE MAKE THE PLACE > > FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. > > > > _____________________________ > > Darren J. Mason wrote: > > > > Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. > > Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most > > awesome > > games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed > > deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. > > > > Should a new authentication scheme + anticheat measure been included with > > HL2 - of course! But this is Valve, and they are probably working on > > something so revolutionary they can't possibly release it in conjunction > > with the game it's made for. Even if they posted about it here, we all > > know > > any deadline hard or soft would be extended and extended. > > > > We will get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the most > > part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always killed > > us! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der > > Zwaart > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > >> please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > >> STEAM_ID system? > >> > >> Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > > database? > > > > Yes they do. > > > >> Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > > > > They do know. > > > >> Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > >> on their STEAM User database or not? > > > > All accounts are created legitimately. > > > >> Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > >> were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > >> be? > > > > They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam > > accounts. > > > > The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does not > > check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs big > > changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is sent to > > the game server. This can be a lot of work, as changes are probably needed > > on clients, game servers and steam servers. Obviously these changes need > > to > > be made at the same time, as most likely this changes the communication > > protocols used, which is also a lot of work. > > > > Developing a new authentication scheme is not an easy task, but I'm sure > > they're working on it. We'll just have to wait. > > > > Maarten > > > > -- > > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > A: Top-posting. > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > > > > > Andrew R. 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