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If you think it needs Anti-Cheat Development start contacting people outside of Valve and get a 3rd party anti-cheat system running. They released the Source Code for crying out loud. Making an anti-cheat that works in the same manner as Cheats seems rather simple in Theory. Until I find something I am just as happy laughing at the hackers and banning them the old fashioned way. And it is Welsh not Walsh. -------Original Message------- From: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 01/25/05 13:48:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats Alright Richard Walsh, then justify them intentionally isolation the AC developers and not allowing them to incorporate AC into "Valve's" game(s). Prior to v4 HLG was the unmatched leader in AC development, VAC was moderately being updated at the time. Post v4 VAC development hit the basement and all other AC community have been screaming foul ever since. It is a complete JOKE to assume that any AC development that is Valve sanctioned such as allowing UA(HLG) access to what they need to develop a USEFUL alternative to the current USELESS AC control with VAC. If you're such a brain to chide people for screaming foul at this then justify Valve's complete lack of action in this matter. Additionally, I challenge anyone else to justify this as well. The fact of the matter is this: THE GAME NEEDS ANTICHEAT DEVELOPMENT!! If Valve can't do it then let somebody else do it...BUT GET IT DONE!! Ray S. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Welsh Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:31 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Maybe I messed up in the last email but here some clarification. Car Manufactorer Makes Car. Driver 1 Buys car Driver 2 Buys car Driver 1 drives through town A at 30mph Driver 2 drives through town A at 60mph Driver 1 gets mad and demands something be done. Car Manufactorer laughs and continues to make car Driver 1 is furios. Driver 2 is laughing at Driver 1 Driver 1 develops Police Department Police Department Makes Rules and Authorises people to make the rules are followed. Driver 1 drives through town A at 30mph Driver 2 drives through town A at 60mph Driver 2 sees something flashing in his mirror. Driver 2 hears a wailing sound. Driver 2 pulls to the side of the road. Police Officer comes up to his window. You have been caught speeding. Driver 2 says "Isn't it up to Car Manufactorer to control how fast I can go? Police Officer says "No Son, we make the rules here and you have to follow them." Driver 1 = CS player Driver 2 = Cheating CS Player Police Department = Server Admins Police Officer = Admin or Anti-cheat detection system Town A = Server Car Manufactorer = Valve VAC = is the equivalent of a Rev-limiter on a motor vehicle If you think Valve is responsible to make an anti-cheat you are mistaking. It is not up to Valve to make an anti-cheat. They get no more money for it from anyone when they make it. All Valve has to do is make games. That's it, nothing more. But they do alot more than that for the community. They patch their games, they support 3rd party mods, they take suggestions from the community, they do all this stuff and wow people bitch cause some lamer decides he wants to cheat. Just be glad Valve is here to make Superior games. Anything other than the game is gravy on your Potatoes. Rich -------Original Message------- From: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 01/25/05 12:56:44 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats I think your right thier priorities seem to be seriously flacked up. In reality I think thier just too small a shop to put out the product(s) they want on the timelines and level of quality required. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:45 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats Well Richard, it seems you have missed the point Valve have a business to run with limited resources that they need to allocate. What do YOU think would garner them the greatest returns for their current projects? Another Map? More "features" that tend to break more things than they fix? An actual working anti-cheat system and security of their own STEAM system, which is the basis of Valves revenues and livelihood? What do you think Richard? What do any of you think? Is this an important issue that Valve should be devoting all the resources it can muster to solve the problems that it currently faces? As an outsider, it does not seem much of anything has been done other than to leak reports that something is coming soon (I wonder if that is human life soon or geological time scale soon, since you never know with Valve) but still nothing, and previous remarks by Valve on this and other issues means anything that is said has no credability what so ever. Some of you might think I am being self serving, which I admit is partially true. Not having to put up with cheats or people complaining about cheats would go a long way to enhancing my online gaming experience, as both a player and an administrator. Furthermore I will thank the day Valve prove me wrong and I look like an idiot who has to eat his words, thus far I've not had to. I really am hoping that I will have to sooner rather than later, but I am not optimistic. Cheers On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:00:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Richard Welsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Nothing is easy and fast at the same moment. One, Valve is busy doing > valve things. Two, there are plenty of third party anti-cheats out there. > Three, VAC will be the end all when Valve is done creating VAC2.0. > > Everyone forgets that it takes time to program. And only a human brain can > program a program. Which means Valve is restricted in what it can do. > Valve also has more than one thing going on... why? Because they manufactor > .. programs. From Scratch. It took 5 (or so) years to develop The Source > Engine. Steam and vac came shortly prior and alot buggier because of the > lack of time spent between development and release. They have fixed alot of > that and are continuing to do what they have spent years doing. Programming > things for people. They have a timeline for everything. I am sure they are > doing what they can every working day. If you losing customers because > Valve has not fixed something or do something within there idea of when they > should have because they think it can be done so quick and easily, then I > have one thing to say about those 'Customers' of yours. > > They are undedicated. > > Meaning no matter what Valve fixed, added, or stopped those people would > have cancelled there membership, payments, or whatever anyway. Maybe not > right away but it would have been within 6 months. > > If you are still complaining please stop... there are hundreds of other > games out there that you can host for people. > > I'd like to see Friends List working properly... That's my #1 priority for > Valve. Cheats happen, cheats will always be around. Why not sue the people > that have made the cheats... since they are destroying your intelectual > right to use Valve's Property. The Cheats are hosted on websites wont be > hard to find out who has made them... For now til the cheat creators go > underground again. > > Do something constructive instead of crying foul all the time. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: 01/25/05 04:28:36 > To: HLDS > Subject: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats > > Sometime you have to wonder who is running the show at Valve Software > these days? > > If you were to run a poll on the STEAM Forums, with the following list > options what do you guys think would garner the most votes? > > What should Valves #1 priority be with Source? > > More Maps? > Fix Bugs? > More Skins? > Stop Cheats? > New Features? > > Seriously, > > What feature does Valve Software think will enable it to sell the most > games? > > What do you as Server Adminsitrators think will attract more players > to Counter-Strike Source? > > What do you as Server Adminsitrators think are the main hindrances for > adoption by people who don't play the game? > > What do you as Server Adminsitrators think is a games impediment to > longevity for online play? > > Answer these questions and if you come up with the answers I do, you > really have to wonder if anybody at Valve is paying attention. > > BTW, do not tell me that VAC or whatever fix is coming "soon" > > Every few months we get leaked the same old shit, promising fixes that > never eventuate, so forgive me if I'm in a, "I'll believe it when I > see it" mood, since credability and Valve is an oxymoron at this > stage. > > One has to wonder if anybody at Valve cares that this is a majority > opinion, or if integrity is such a worthless commodity these days, we > should never believe a word anybody tells us? > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
