It's not about me, GSP income or anything personal at all. It's about the
numbers. Look at how many people play CS1 and compare that to CSS. When
and/or if CSS comes up to par with CS1.6 in stability and performance then
our opinions will change. Until then we are simply voicing our views. You
don't have to agree with them. But you do have to hear them as opinions and
not attack us for them. When CSS becomes stable, reliable and secure we'll
support the game as well, I'm sure, as the leagues around the world. Until
then it remains simply a novelty and little else. By all means continue
development on it. But forcing hundreds of thousands of users to move to it
is asinine until the above issues are addressed. You call it "right-wing" I
call it reality.
Ray S.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:44 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If you don't like the direction they are headed then why bother
continuing to run their games... oh yeah because they're the best around
and you ARE going to put up with it like you have all these years or you
would've left here long ago!
Ray, we've seen complaints of this nature upon ANY type of upgrade or
release just as people do when MS releases something!
The facts are it's valve who calls the shots, nothing any of us say will
ever change that.
Yes, I agree Source is not yet up to par but then again what has release
been from valve! Quit the right wing type of BS!
You are speaking like a true GSP, who in reality is worried about his
cash flow, if you remember I could care less about!
This topic is nearing it's end for me, Im not going to get into a
battle of who wants what!
Happy April Fools Day All
Regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually sir, we feel this way because we cannot run the servers without
restarting them every day or so, because of the bugs in the client, because
of the 'rubberbanding' in CSS, the complete lack of support in all the
leagues for CSS, because of the lack of HLTV for CSS, for the lack of MANY
issues still needing to be addressed in CSS. So his comment of it not being
"mature" enough to be moved to was exactly what I agreed with. Once issues
like this are addressed then moving to the new platform would be the
appropriate course of action. What is currently available for CSS is not at
a level that anyone trusts or can rely on. When that changes then so will
my
opinions. When we were told in December, "VAC2 coming 'soon'", we assumed a
month or so. Here we are in April with still nothing. Wednesday came and
went with no VAC2 that they quoted and nobody said a word. This is the lack
of follow-through that we've experience from Valve in roughly a year of no
viable AC protection. They insist everything stay in-house and then don't
get the job done. Come on... a YEAR it's been now since a VAC update. Are
you so blinded by the lure of 'technology' that you don't see the facts?
Ray S.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:38 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hi Ray, I disagree, this is the same type of behavior that follows
anytime something new comes along ie.. WON/STEAM.., CS 1.x - CS 1.6!
We go through this with any type of upgrade!
Seems to me there are a lot of people who are afraid to try something
new! Sort of like the bunch of old timers who still have rotary pulse
phone systems.
Regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It could not have been better said.
Ray S.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Kobbevik
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:30 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I would bet a majority of them would purchase the upgrade.
Almost all people I know (IRL) who plays Halflife did already buy
HalfLife2
with CS:S, tested it, then went back to CS1.6. To me its clear that CS:S
is
not mature enough yet.
Most people I have spoken to don't like it, but they have the game.
To me it seems Valve already got their money for the "upgrade".
And don't forget the hardware requirement for HalfLife2 compared to
HalfLife1.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mason
Sent: 31. mars 2005 23:31
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Considering there is NO real effective anticheat measures through valve
for
either of these groups, by moving forward with Source games only, they
would
effectively win our (Source server ops) continued business AND we would
strongly encourage HL1 users to upgrade.
HL1 users would be in the same position they are now, and by learning
HL2/Source servers/games are utilizing new state of the art anti-cheat
measures - I would bet a majority of them would purchase the upgrade.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:02 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hmm, currently according to steam:
Hl1 users online: 113,000+
Hl1 Servers online: 55,700+
Source users online: 49,000+
Source Servers online: 19,400+
It is always a good business model to piss off the majority of your
customers (2.3 times more hl1 players).
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mason
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:27 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hopefully VAC2 will work ONLY for Source games and ONLY on secure servers.
I
would love to have one single focused platform which Valve continually
updates instead of them trying to half-ass support everything out there.
Let's move forward with Source and make secure servers the place to play!
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