Mikee is absolutely correct. Large public communities have no definitive tools for controlling miscreants. The only real solution is ample and diligent admins...along with heavily modified plugins to help maintain the peace. If you only run private servers, the situation is completely different.
We run public DoD and CoD/HoB servers but keep our CS:S and HL2DM servers private. The pressures of admining private servers are a mere fraction of the public servers. I can't imagine the headaches that large public communities like Jolt and GameSpy Arena contend with. Our traffic is lighter on the private servers, but it's highly qualified, regulars only, so there's little need for hardcore admin coverage. One less headache for us.
With all that said, there's no possible way to guarantee that innocent players won't be banned. That's why we have a system for stating your case and having it reviewed by the admin staff. It's a method of checks and balances for an imperfect system. Do we make mistakes? Sure, but not very many. Can we enforce our rules and standards? Yes. And, most importantly, is our community happy with the results? Feel free to ask them yourself. :)
Kerry www.mikesmarauders.com
Mikee wrote:
Alexander, our point is that there has never been a reliable and perfect way to screen out and/or ban cheaters, hackers, crackers. Like all of life, some innocents will always get caught and accused unfairly. However, those mistakedly banned players will take the time to rationally appeal their ban and answer your questions....and many admins will give them a second chance (depending on the circumstances).
All of the past banning/anti-cheat programs have always had problems with false positive banning. This system is not much different. In this larger list presented by WarGod, I asked him calmly to remove the bans related to those wearing his clan's tag, and he readily agreed, since these are not in the same "universal" category as those crashing server, or cheating with aimbot/speedhacks, etc.
In the absence of VAC2, this is the best we've got. At least those kiddies and their sandbox friends that crashed our servers for fun, may now realize that this is going to keep them out of some of the more popular servers, and stop doing it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Request to clear steam id's from global ban lists
Did you ever use CSGuard/HLGuard/VAC? Did you ever complain about the said programs at all when they were all known to work at one time or another and banned a cheat?
Were the programers then called ignorant when their program accidentaly made false bans?
Here's a tid-bit: Why don't you remove the password protection and make your server(s) public. Then when you tire of the bull$h!t chime back in and give us all your suggestions as to handle the mess Ok?
Maybe, just maybe if you dropped the sarcasm bit you'd get half a clue!
Good Day
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Again you miss my point, but fine.
I run two server, both password protected. So no, im not trying to win any competition with anyone. Nor do I think im so great. I just think someone should point out why the idea might not be a good idea. And I did.
We are going in circles.. so i give up.. you win ;)
-Alex
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc Sent: 11. april 2005 17:19 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Request to clear steam id's from global ban lists
With all the people playing this game why would you be so worried about losing a few here and there? Unless you are from the minority of ignorant Admins who see running a server as a competition with other server Ops of who's server is more 1337 or better yet support the hackers like some who troll this list simply to oppose of anything positive in regards stopping the little cheats then why would you care?
Nothing is perfect!
Look on the bright side, for each of us that use this list, more players chance visiting your server! :)
Maybe you and the minority who question it need to look in the mirror!
Regards
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
I know that not everything is perfect... And im not talking about a false positive here. Im talking about people beeing banned for other reasons by an admin and therefor ending up in this banlist. Anyways... I hope this is only a minority who is so ignorant as to trust such a list. Shit happeneds, you just don't need to add to it.
Good luck though..
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc Sent: 8. april 2005 18:45 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Request to clear steam id's from global ban lists
Hi, I don't think it's silly. Besides Valve accidentally bans people too dude. Nothing is perfect, open your eyes!
We all can agree steambans is not the answer.
In fact if more people adapt to this method I think it will help the community more than harm! (just my humble opinion)
Regards
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Maybe this will help people see how bad it is to try to maintain a banlist where anyone can contribute... Its just silly... and I think you all know it...
I understand that you are desperate to ban cheaters.. but you are also banning non-cheating players...
Open your eyes....
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: 8. april 2005 05:11 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Request to clear steam id's from global ban lists
A review of our ban list turned up some steamid's that should not be banned.
If you are using the global ban list from http://70.85.25.116/banned_user.cfg then please take the time to remove the following accounts from your banned_user.cfg:
STEAM_0:1:6555719 STEAM_0:1:4973968 STEAM_0:1:1123940 STEAM_0:1:4284202 STEAM_0:0:4167326 STEAM_0:0:3277947 STEAM_0:1:5453208 STEAM_0:0:4379225 STEAM_0:1:5289314 STEAM_0:0:3320503 STEAM_0:1:5332537 STEAM_0:1:4912823 STEAM_0:1:1716825 STEAM_0:1:988502 STEAM_0:1:5860323
Here is the same set prefixed with the removeid command for easy running on your server(s):
removeid STEAM_0:1:4973968 removeid STEAM_0:1:1123940 removeid STEAM_0:1:4284202 removeid STEAM_0:0:4167326 removeid STEAM_0:0:3277947 removeid STEAM_0:1:5453208 removeid STEAM_0:0:4379225 removeid STEAM_0:1:5289314 removeid STEAM_0:0:3320503 removeid STEAM_0:1:5332537 removeid STEAM_0:1:4912823 removeid STEAM_0:1:1716825 removeid STEAM_0:1:988502 removeid STEAM_0:1:5860323
Thank you.
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