Sorry, didn't mean to offend. The point I was trying to make (badly), was that game engines are a complex beast, and having lots of options enabled for debugging that show things which look very wrong to people who don't understand game engines is probably not such a good idea - as this video has shown.
There are now at least 10,000 people who think that the hit detection in CS source is completely broken when it isn't (or at least the video didn't show that it is) :) Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bud Ingram Sent: 11 May 2005 20:27 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] mp_showhitboxes Ben, I find your answer interesting. However, I find your statment of, "... a simple explanation for a video that has caused complete uproar ..." to be a poor answer considering you questioned how it was done ("As to why the shots appear....either they have set ... or have turned ... off"). Clayton, thank you for providing your findings, much more intuitive than suggesting that we remain "ignorant" to a situation and just let it go away. Cheers, Bud Ingram ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] mp_showhitboxes > There is still latency between your game and the "server" even when running > a listen server. Firstly, the client runs several frames behind to allow it > interpolate object positions, and secondly, I believe that you have a > simulated ping of 30ms on top. Add in the latency caused by the discrete > server "ticks" and you've got a fair sized number. > > The command shows the "server side" hitboxes which is the position of the > player (in this case a bot) on the server. Due to the latency, the position > on the client is always trailing behind. That is why the "hitboxes" (server > side position of the player) are in front of the actual model. It is just > the way the game engine is designed. > > As to why the shots appear to register on the hitbox and not the model - > either they have set cl_interp to a very high value, or they have turned the > lag compensation off. > > There, a simple explanation for a video that has caused complete uproar. > Regards, > Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bud Ingram > Sent: 11 May 2005 19:15 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] mp_showhitboxes > > From: "Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] mp_showhitboxes > > > > I think that valve should hide or remove a lot of console commands to stop > > the community from destroying itself with its own ignorance :) > > > > That video is a perfect example of why this would be a good idea! > > Unless the video has been properly refuted by the developer, I believe that > it is a good example of a situation that needs to be corrected. Your > suggestion that the community is destroying itself with it's own ignorance > is not helping to suggest one way or another that it is or isn't a design > flaw with the multiplayer portion of the Source Engine. > > If this situation has already been handled, say by -tickrate or max fps, > server side, then fine -- but I do not recall seeing such a degree of > separation between the model and actual hit-boxes being discussed with > server variables as part of the context. I know that there was some > discussion over accuracy and increased FPS server side (dedicated), but this > is a listen server, the server is showing the hit-boxes, correct? How does > this explain any issues with lag or latency when the author of the video is > describing the situation through use of a Bot on his own server (listen)? > > Please feel free to express your wisdom on the situation so that we aren't > "ignorant". > > Respectfully, > > Bud Ingram > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
