Alfred, would it be possible for you guys to provide to the plugin writers,
via the API, the ability to continue creating the menus they currently use,
in addition to the ESC menu capabilities? I know it sounds like you don't
appreciate their current implementation method, which is understandable, but
if something could be added to the API to allow this functionality to be
'legal', it would prolly make all parties involved happy. Then they wouldnt'
be 'hackin' the server code, and everyone would still have the menu's they
like. Just a thought.

- Artie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] server crashes w/ new update


They were warned multiple times to not use the hacks they were, so it is
upon their own heads.

- Alfred

----Original Message----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PiTaGoRaS Sent:
Friday, May 20, 2005 1:10 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] server crashes w/ new update

> I will never understand why Valve make this this kind of "fixes" that
> broke something else without any warning. Is it so dificult to
> contact with the Mani/AMX plugin devs, for example, some days before
> relase so they are able to update their code and everybody is happy?
>
> ... really tired of this.
>
> Alfred Reynolds escribió (Fri, 20 May 2005 00:49:04 -0700):
> > They are using an undocumented hack to display those menus, this
> > update removes the hack and so they can no longer use it (because
> > the last subsystem that was using it, radio menus, has finally been
> > fixed to be client side). They have a plugin API to display
> > messages to users and get feedback, they should use that.
> >
> > - Alfred
> >
> > ----Original Message----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent:
> > Friday, May 20, 2005 12:43 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: RE: [hlds] server crashes w/ new update
> >
> > > Thx Alfred for staying on top of this and offering a roll-back.
> > > Looking forward to the fix.
> > >
> > > Something else tho that I believe needs to be addressed. The Mani
> > > plugin as well as Beetles plugin no longer work as intended - the
> > > AMX-style menus no longer function. A quote from Beetle: 'valve
> > > stopped any commands from the menus being sent to the server... I
> > > have no idea of any way to do it now..'
> > >
> > > Was this intentional or part of the problem with the new binary?
> > >
> > > - K2
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
> > > Reynolds Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:35 PM To:
> > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] server crashes
> > > w/ new update
> > >
> > > I am going to do an update soon that will roll the binary back
> > > (but keep the new de_inferno, it had a couple valuable fixes perf
> > > wise). The de_inferno update made the whole update mandatory.
> > >
> > > - Alfred
> > >
> > > ----Original Message----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon
> > > Garner Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:26 PM To:
> > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] server crashes
> > > w/ new update
> > >
> > > > On 20/05/2005 3:47 p.m., Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> > > > > I have had a couple reports of this happening on de_port.
> > > > > Does anyone get it on any other Valve maps? (not third party
> > > > > ones).
> > > > >
> > > > > - Alfred
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Seems to be happening on all maps.
> > > >
> > > > Save us Alfred, teh servers are dyiinng!
> > > >
> > > > On a related note, why was this a required update anyway? I
> > > > wasn't even going to bother updating as I hadn't had any
> > > > trouble with the two issues it was fixing, but unfortunately I
> > > > was forced to. :(
> > > >
> > > > -Simon
> > > >
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