Okay my friend... I'm not trying to be difficult... It's just that I've had this discussion numerous times thru many years with numerous people and in the final analysis I've never seen anyone who started out claiming that scripts are cheats actually prove their case. A script is not a cheat and can not do anything that can't be done with individual key strokes. There are purists out there who believe you shouldn't use anything but a default config and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but opinion is not fact anymore that a quick change script is a cheat.
I use two custom scripts on a regular basis (in hldm)... the long Jump script a.k.a. single key long jump, and the fast x-bow script. I'm sure these scripts have little or no meaning to CS players but they are fairly important to hldm players. In the case of the long jump scrip, I can accomplish the exact same result by using the shift/alt/spacebar instead of just the shift/spacebar and in the case of the fast xbow I can accomplish the same result by clicking both mouse keys almost at the same time. So where is the advantage to the script? None really, beyond personal preference. I'll agree with anyone who says some scripts can get quite elaborate and if the rules of your server are such that you wish a completely level playing field, then by all means... ban the custom scripts you find objectionable. Have a nice day... :) -----Original Message----- From: Brian M Frain (eternal) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:35 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Fast Weapon Scripts what to do? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well there is nothing anyone can do so regardless of what the original intent was the discussion doesn't matter. Some think scripts are cheats or an advantage some don't, we are stuck with em so case closed. On 5/14/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Understood... however, we're talking about scripts running on clients and > a > client script can't change anything the server admin doesn't allow. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian M Frain (eternal) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:43 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Fast Weapon Scripts what to do? > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Well I was thinking mostly of the admin scripts I wrote but they are > changing variables through beetlesmod. Of course I could do it through > rcon > (and writing scripts to automate it) so there are a variety of ways you > can > do it. The scripts are just a way of automating things but they can change > and alter variables. For instance I can turn on and off alltalk with a > script. > > > On 5/12/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Huh? So far as I'm aware, scripts mostly just combine keystrokes. What > > script changes cvars? Maybe they exist but I've never seen one. Are > you > > talking about embedding things like FOV in a script? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian M Frain (eternal) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:20 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Fast Weapon Scripts what to do? > > > > > > -- > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Scripts are not perfect, what about the variables that allow wallhacks? > > Scripts are just a way of altering cvars and some of them DO allow > players > > to cheat. Valve of course blocks them when they find them but the fact > > remains just because it is there does not make it right. > > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Good point however, I think to only workable solution (if your > inclined > > to > > > block scripts at all, which I'm not) is to explicitly identify those > > > scripts > > > you find offensive and block them on a script by script basis. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Link Pankratz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:33 PM > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Fast Weapon Scripts what to do? > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to phrase more like; What scripts should > be > > > explicitly allowed and then bock all others? Or is even that a coding > > > nightmare since most of the game functions on scripts? > > > > > > Link > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Edward Luna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:24 PM > > > To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Fast Weapon Scripts what to do? > > > > > > I agree with that statement so long as you preface your comments with > > the > > > word "certain". Certain scripts are disallowed, not all scripts. > > > Your keyboard mapping is a script... so are your weapons binds... the > > game > > > couldn't work without scripts. > > > In order to reasonably disallow scripts... by definition... you must > be > > > specific as to the exact scripts you wish to disallow, or are you > saying > > > any > > > alias that does not come in a default config, is disallowed? > > > How could we define allowed scripts vs. disallowed scripts? 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