Kyle you crack me up:-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kyle Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:12 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Server counterpart for cl_restrict_server_commands
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You don't even know the definition of forum Troll do you retard. #1: I post on this forum maybe twice a month so im no forum troll you pathetic cum drinker. #2: Lod is and always has been a bunch of total losers. fuck off scumbag. After having stated my thoughts, i will no longer respond to you or any other retard who post on this topic. and 3rd: If Alfred wants to remove me from this thread thats his right to do so and i respect that which is more then i can say for you. Now proceed to stick a rag into your cars gas tank and light it on fire and stand really close to it. P.S. if you have any relatives get them crowded around the vehicle also. -------Original Message------- From: L.o.D. Date: 11/22/2006 7:58:34 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Server counterpart for cl_restrict_server_commands -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Oh look, the king troll is calling someone else a troll. Talk about calling the kettle black. Kyle, why don't you just unsubscribe & leave the mature people alone since you're not possibly able to not lash out like a child. I'm surprised Alfred hasn't removed you. -------Original Message------- From: kyle Date: 11/22/06 10:51:06 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Server counterpart for cl_restrict_server_commands -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Wow your a fucking major TROLL Edward. I count at least 8 or more thread replies in the last hour or so. You must be the biggest loser with no fucking life at all to have to skim through every single post and reply to them. One of your replies just says "Agreed" you have to comment on everything dont you. You must have ZERO friends nerd. I guess your boyfriend isn't around or your mouth would be full with his cock and you wouldn't be posting useless nonsense you lame fucking cunt. STFU AND go die you loser. I'm fucking tired of getting your lame responses to other losers lame posts. this isn't your personal chat room. please just kill yourself. your a complete & total loser at life. -------Original Message------- From: Edward Luna Date: 11/22/2006 7:30:58 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Server counterpart for cl_restrict_server_commands "I really don't see why they waste time and money even trying to change their old software at all. Just what is the goal? " Can I assume your not in sales or advertising? New... Improved... even more effective... and 20% off. -----Original Message----- From: James Tucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:27 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server counterpart for cl_restrict_server_commands > To the point with Valve itself in this and other discussions on the > list. Yes I have seen other big software companies, which habe been more > concerning, reasoning, etc... to the community. But the same thing is > true for the community itself. I guess it could change a lot, if only > the mails were written, which came from admins, really dedicated to what > they do, interesstred in solutions. This "bashing" doesn't help a thing > and just kills motivation on both sides. The point is, this implementation did NOT solve the issue as most servers which are competitive carry non-compatible plugins. The solution needs a server code replacement for client cvar and alias restriction WITHOUT running CODE on the CLIENT. (I'm not shouting at you, I'm shouting at Valve, I don't know if a design team even saw the problem, but clearly there is a lack of understanding of what really needs to be done. To say "we gave users the option of securing their systems, but you'll not be able to play on most servers now" is simply unnacceptable. The problem is, users want to: alias, bind, set customised settings. Admins want to: stop bad binds ('wait' removed) stop bad aliases stop certain settings from being in CERTAIN RANGES. These problems could ALL be solved by creating an interface to regexp checking of client cvars with an optional disconnect of clients with illegal settings. This should not require a massive solution, it should require server side checking of the data that CLIENTS ALREADY SEND TO THE SERVER! with the exception of binds and aliases, which COULD EASILY BE INTRODUCED and matched against regexps on the client or the server in order to prevent CODE EXECUTION. Surely the real solution and the real problems are blindingly obvious? And I have to say, to pay no attention to the plugins used by major event and league hosts is rather short sighted, and if the company wants to be so short sighted, I really don't see why they waste time and money even trying to change their old softare at all. Just what is the goal? to keep people on their toes? Without paying attention to the community one can only do damage, and if alot of time is spent doing it, that's just throwing money out of the boat, and NO ONE can afford to do that. It is largely similar to the commonly trolled topic of netcode, where it seems that points are simply ignored for fear of redesign requirements, when in fact all that needs to be corrected is teh fact that users still in interp delay prior to death who are registered as dead on the server can no longer make gameworld interactions. This isn't exactly hard to fix in the application runtime, and probably involves moving only a few lines of bugged code, and yet because of the nature of the community, settings and lack of user oriented documentation, these things never get dealt with. That's life, and everyone deals with it, but this is where changes will need to be made to become a truly next generation software development house, without which eventually they may loose out. Steam is a great product, but it requires that the company maintain some best practices, rather than willy-nilly practices like this extremely poor attempt at client security. /rant. I know the above was a rant, but it's also true. Don't take it as offence, take it as things that need to change, because that's all it really means. Get it sorted properly, for christs sake. /me goes back into hiding. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __________ NOD32 1877 (20061122) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
