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LOL you obviously don't know much about the law chad.
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From: Chad
Date: 12/09/06 14:47:36
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
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Someone needs to look over the valve/steam TOS and see if there is a way
they can be sued in order to stop them from being total jackasses and
ruining the games we all paid for months and years ago.
I mean if we all bought a game and it didn't say in the TOS "in the
future
we will be pumping adds to you in game" , then we all have a possible
lawsuit against Valve/steam if they do this.
its a form of bait and switch and an annoying one at that.
Now i haven't been reading this entire thread because im just sick and
tired
of hearing people whine about what the latest screw over valve has done to
there customers. but if you really want to stop valve from fucking up the
game or games you have purchased in the past by adding or changing them in
the future, then take them to court or shut the fuck up.
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From: Dustin Tuft
Date: 12/9/2006 1:11:40 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
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I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a
board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy
trying to get you to buy a chess board?
The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV,
and
sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a
choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready
have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so
gain
more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can
skip
the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well
with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning
on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program
decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water
mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with
a
Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little
logo
in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is
providing you the goods?
Dustin Tuft
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006
07:28:24 -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay...
seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to
be
concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a
changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one
incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older then
well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds
in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable
Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a
handful
of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof.
Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to
something
called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to
watch
TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to
watch
the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought
Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but
who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the
party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with
something that fits just about every taste and style?> > Remember... when
your done changing, you're done.> > > -----Original Message-----> From:
[DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08,
2006 4:03 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds]
VALVe
wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling
more than John Kerry. Think about> this. They disable the content server
loading banner for all of us that> provide servers for this game, AT NO
CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that> they can make revenue off of not
just
that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?> > I'm not liking this ride if it's
true
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
net> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
com> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > Some
of
you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about> making
money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make> more. As
long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this case> even
more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change>
unless
they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would> outweigh
any
losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and> will
continue
to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until> they are
no
longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their> gamble
pay
off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell.> > Me? I shut
my
server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I can> find some
of
the fun that I use to have playing CS.> > Just my .02> >> > From: Wojciech
H
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST> > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS
1
6> >> > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following
the>
'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of> >
people did not buy the game based on it.> >> > I think some arguments for
having in game advertising is to pay for> > maintaining: the games, the
update system, the many more updates/addons> > that people have started to
expect, the master server lists, etc.> >> >> > Dan E wrote:> > > As far as
region specific, don't you specify what> > > language you speak when you
install Steam?> > >> > > I'm personally ticked off that they want us to
look
at> > > ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo> > > I can
understand, but this is just rediculous.> > >> > > --- Steven Hartland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> This brings some
interesting questions:> > >> * How are they going the ensure the adds are
region> > >> specific> > >> This is required to ensure that the language
is>
correct and> > >> local laws adhered to.> > >> * How are they going to
deal with the case that the> > >> ad's> > >> may go against sponsorship
deals for the servers or> > >> tournaments etc.> > >>> > >> Its not going
to
go down well if a Intel sponsored> > >> tourney> > >> started displaying
adds for AMD processors in the> > >> middle> > >> of the match.> > >>> >
By the same reasoning if provider X started> > >> advertising> > >> and
this
where to show up on provider Y's servers> > >> they> > >> would be
understandably pissed.> > >>> > >> These are just two logistical issues
which spring to> > >> mind.> > >>> > >> Steve> > >>> > >>> > >>
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