I was 22 when Neil took that first small step (which was more like a jump). :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:36 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6


I remember very well watching the first moon landing on our black & white
tube TV. But I think you might have me beat by a few years LOL.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6


> By many years... rofl.  Lets put it this way... when I was a kid we
> listened to radio because there were very few televisions.
>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:01 AM
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> Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
>
>
> Can ya beat 42??
>
> :)
>
>>
>> From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST
>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
>> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
>>
>> "... waffling more than John Kerry."  ROFL!
>>
>> Okay... seriously now.  I've seen this all before and you guys are 100%
>> correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind.  The
>> times they are a changin and in-game adds are comin.  To quote a phrase
>> oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".
>>
>> I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through
>> this before.  No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively
>> recent... I'm talking about Cable Television.  Back in the dark ages
>> (before computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only
>> via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone
>> mentioned that we would soon be introduced to something called Cable
>> Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV.  The
>> world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the
>> television I already paid for?... Not on your life"!  Or so we thought.
>>
>> Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but
>> who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth
>> the party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with
>> something that fits just about every taste and style?
>>
>> Remember... when your done changing, you're done.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM
>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
>>
>>
>> IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about
>> this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that
>> provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see
>> that
>> they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?
>>
>> I'm not liking this ride if it's true.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM
>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
>>
>> Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about
>> making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make
>> more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this
>> case
>> even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change
>> unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would
>> outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game
>> and
>> will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host
>> until
>> they are  no longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does
>> their
>> gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell.
>>
>> Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I
>> can
>> find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS.
>>
>> Just my .02
>> >
>> > From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST
>> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>> > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
>> >
>> > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the
>> > 'trend' I guess.  For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of
>> > people did not buy the game based on it.
>> >
>> > I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for
>> > maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more updates/addons
>> > that people have started to expect, the master server lists, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dan E wrote:
>> > > As far as region specific, don't you specify what
>> > > language you speak when you install Steam?
>> > >
>> > > I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at
>> > > ads in a game which we have already paid for.  A demo
>> > > I can understand, but this is just rediculous.
>> > >
>> > > --- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> This brings some interesting questions:
>> > >> * How are they going the ensure the adds are region
>> > >> specific
>> > >> This is required to ensure that the language is
>> > >> correct and
>> > >> local laws adhered to.
>> > >> * How are they going to deal with the case that the
>> > >> ad's
>> > >> may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or
>> > >> tournaments etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored
>> > >> tourney
>> > >> started displaying adds for AMD processors in the
>> > >> middle
>> > >> of the match.
>> > >>
>> > >> By the same reasoning if provider X started
>> > >> advertising
>> > >> and this where to show up on provider Y's servers
>> > >> they
>> > >> would be understandably pissed.
>> > >>
>> > >> These are just two logistical issues which spring to
>> > >> mind.
>> > >>
>> > >>     Steve
>> > >>
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