I do not agree. I believe that even without any anticheat only an
immature minority will cheat even when there is no risk of punishment.
But if I eventually am wrong and one day all TF2 players are suddenly
raging cheaters, then I am long gone.

Besides, 1500 cheating players that are mostly playing CS:S, maybe the
game with most cheaters ever, does not have much in common with the
average TF2 player.


On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Justin <mysteriousjus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ya know eventually your gonna ban every gamer playing tf2?
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Donnie Newlove 
> <donnie.newl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Zanork_0f_g0t
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/k_
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HACK-4-LIFE
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791429761110
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/P7
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/houseofhacks
>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/MultihackAdminTeam
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Donnie Newlove
>> <donnie.newl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Both these groups are owned by the same guy and he is one of the most
>> > active ones. I don't know for sure because I could not find anything
>> > about it, but it seems that ROLEX/GodLike is just another cheater,
>> > there are a few "hater" groups like this, chrisaster got one as well
>> > and he is even a member. The ЯυĿż is THE BEST (R) is basically a fan
>> > club for a known cheater (ЯυĿż which is also admin there is both VAC
>> > banned and a member of many other cheating groups). Bottom line is no
>> > one that is not in the cheating community would be a member of those
>> > groups unless they just join groups at random and stumbled upon the
>> > wrong ones.
>> >
>> > And here is a few more I just found when I checked those links. :)
>> >
>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/AACbyC_Style
>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/welovehackz
>> > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/WCSSH
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:37 AM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Up to 1530 with these groups, thanks for reporting them. A question on a
>> >> few of them though that I did not add:
>> >>
>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa
>> >> Aside from having what some people (read: pansies) would consider an
>> >> offensive group image, I don't see anything blatantly yelling "hacks" to
>> >> me for them.
>> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol
>> >> Same here, aside from some dumb kid as a group image, I don't see
>> >> anything in particularly wrong with this group.
>> >>
>> >> Are these groups owned by owners of other groups? Or something of that
>> >> nature?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 02:37 +0100, Donnie Newlove wrote:
>> >>> Having updated SourceBans to the latest version I wonder what I would
>> >>> ever need to ban groups from the web interface, but after looking
>> >>> around for an hour at the steamcommunity I found that it was quite
>> >>> useful for proactive banning since I now have over 1000 new bans of
>> >>> known cheaters (and I am also quite astounded, I would not dare to
>> >>> dream about people being this dumb).
>> >>>
>> >>> I started off simply by searching for "hacking" and such and checking
>> >>> admins at the groups, random members, friends of the most active ones,
>> >>> groups with many VAC banned members, members that were part of many
>> >>> suspect groups, etc. Here are most groups I found with admitted
>> >>> cheaters and troublemakers. It appears as if there were mostly CS:S
>> >>> players but also a lot of CS, TF2 and L4D. Please post more useful
>> >>> links if you find any. Peace out.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gangster-strike
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dasdwasdwa
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430166586
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/g0ts
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/phoenix-hacks
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Project-7
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ELITESAUCE
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/omegacheaters
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/rolexfailshardlol
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/furyon-hackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cheat_project
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/haxorzzz
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/udown
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/x22shop
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/360-hacks
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vip-master
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/unlimitedhackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theg0t
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Hack-Sector
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ethug
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Angel-Hacker
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcorehackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4567319757432567564347
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/elextronic-hackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GodlikeHackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Infinity-Hackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hardcore-hackers
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Deutscheprohackers
>> >>>
>> >>> And this guy selling exploits and... yeah, you already know. He got a
>> >>> fan club, but I can't view the members. Anyway, hurry up before these
>> >>> maggets understand what is going on, this is just to easy to last.
>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/103582791430217890
>> >>>
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