GPU processors are very limited and are designed for specific tasks that benefit from massive parallelism. That is why you can put 256 of them on a single chip - they are small, fast, but limited. You can't cram that many real CPUs on a chip - A while ago Sun put 8 risc cpus on a single chip, but the risc architecture is simple enough that you can get away with that. You couldn't do that with pentiums, cores, athlons, or phenoms - not yet anyhow, and you will never put 256 of them on a single chip.
It's funny in a way - we went from the cisc to the risc architecture so we could inplement a pipeline and give us some instruction level paralellism, then we went back to cisc with huge pipelines (your pentiums, etc.) because Intel thought that the longer pipelines would give us better performance in the long run (it didn't, really - which is why AMD kicked Intels butt for so long), and now here we are going back again to simple cpus with shorter pipelines and simple instruction sets, only this time in massive parallel. Back and forth, back and forth. Kinda like going from the dumb terminal to the PC and then back to the dumb browser... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Gottlieb" <matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? > Are you trying to imply that you can visualize a PC on a GPU? GPUs > and Processors work very differently. I don't think that would be > possible. If it is, I don't think it would be very powerful. > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Virtualize? >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Olly <oli...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Source isn't CUDA compatable :P - So no tesla yet >>> >>> 2009/5/13 Jake E <jackac...@gmail.com> >>> >>> > You could buy a $50000000 Tesla computer to solve it for you. >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Ook <ooksser...@zootal.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > I think it's 128 bit AES. Good luck with that one heheh... >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "1nsane" <1nsane...@gmail.com> >>> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>> > > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:04 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > And what sort of encryption does winrar use? I seem to have >>> > > > misplaced >>> a >>> > > > password for a semi important archive. That was 3 years ago... >>> > > > Haha. >>> > > > >>> > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Ook <ooksser...@zootal.com> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > >> It can help a bit, but it's not enough for serious RSA cracking >>> > > >> :). >>> I >>> > > can >>> > > >> crack a 32 bit code in seconds, a 48 bit code in about a year. So >>> with >>> > > >> some >>> > > >> decent paralellism, I could crack a 48 bit code in a half a day, >>> > > >> and >>> a >>> > > 64 >>> > > >> bit code in about a hundred years. Forget about 128 bit codes, >>> > > >> you >>> > need >>> > > >> almost infinite parallelism to crack those :( >>> > > >> >>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >> From: "Matthew Gottlieb" <matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com> >>> > > >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>> > > >> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:06 PM >>> > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> That would explain why it does WPA cracking so well. >>> > > >> Brute Force. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Ook <ooksser...@zootal.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > >> > Um...my gf8400 has 16 stream processors in it. And it cost ten >>> > bucks. >>> > > >> > But >>> > > >> > the latency involved with offloading processing to it isn't >>> > > >> > worth >>> > it. >>> > > >> > You >>> > > >> > don't want to offload anything to the gpu unless you have a >>> hundred >>> > or >>> > > >> > more >>> > > >> > concurrent operations that you need to run. You don't do it for >>> fast >>> > > >> math, >>> > > >> > you do it because you need massive parallelism. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > >> > From: "Matthew Gottlieb" <matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com> >>> > > >> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>> > > >> > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:29 AM >>> > > >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> >>I agree. Lets get multi-core support rolling before we even >>> > > >> >>think >>> > > >> >> about GPU support. After all, who the hell has a GPU in their >>> > server? >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> Unless you're one of the "cool kids" who have 4 280s in SLI on >>> > their >>> > > >> >> server... >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >> >>> Valve is so good at supporting multiple cores and all of the >>> other >>> > > >> >>> new >>> > > >> >>> CPU >>> > > >> >>> enhancements... I'm sure they will start supporting nvidia's >>> > > >> proprietary >>> > > >> >>> architecture in no time! >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> OH WAIT >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Yaakov Smith < >>> m4ngr...@gmail.com >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>>> Look at CUDA benchmarks.( >>> > > >> >>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3374)< >>> > > >> >>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3374> >>> > > >> >>>> >>> > > >> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jake E >>> > > >> >>>> <jackac...@gmail.com> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >> >>>> >>> > > >> >>>> > But just how fast is that... >>> > > >> >>>> > >>> > > >> >>>> > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Yaakov Smith < >>> > > m4ngr...@gmail.com> >>> > > >> >>>> wrote: >>> > > >> >>>> > >>> > > >> >>>> > > Thought so. Thanks. >>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> > > >> >>>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > >> >>>> > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> > > >> >>>> > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >>> > > >> >>>> > > Of >>> > Alex >>> > > >> >>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 4:07 PM >>> > > >> >>>> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >>> > > >> >>>> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? >>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> > > >> >>>> > > Just uses the cpu/ram/hdd :) >>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> > > >> >>>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > >> >>>> > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> > > >> >>>> > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >>> > > >> >>>> > > Of >>> > > Yaakov >>> > > >> >>>> > > Smith >>> > > >> >>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 3:37 PM >>> > > >> >>>> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >>> > > >> >>>> > > Subject: [hlds] Any benefits with a graphics card? >>> > > >> >>>> > > >>> > > >> >>>> > > Does SrcDS make any use of a graphics card, or does it >>> > > >> >>>> > > just >>> > use >>> > > >> the >>> > > >> >>>> > > processor? 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