Well I don't have op4 installed, but ping averaged 132 from work.
Apparently, you can start downloading op4 and play with only 16% of the
content downloaded. Ping in game was pretty steady at around 120-130,
with an ugly spike up to 200 for me. I'm playing from work, so the
firewall here may have induced all the choke I was getting.

Dying repeatedly was my own doing, I've never played Op4 :P

-mauirixxx

-----Original Message-----
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:47 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features
BypassingVAC?(wasVoogrucheaterplugin)

Pop into my server and see how you ping:

connect OoksServer.no-ip.info

It's an 18 player OP4 server running on an AMD Sempron 2400+ (1.7GHz I
think). When I start to push past 12-14 players, cpu usage climbs and
fps drops, but seems to remain playable. One day I'll move it to a box
with a little more cpu, but for now it does what I want it to :)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Payton" <r...@mai-hawaii.com>
To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" 
<hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing
VAC?(wasVoogrucheaterplugin)


> The ping from here isn't that bad actually, at least not to me. I hit 
> california based (San Jose specifically) at around the 70-80 ping 
> mark, anywhere else in cali is right at 100. Playing on Texas based 
> BF2 servers, I would usually hit around 120, with spikes up to 150.
>
> TOTALLY playable in my opinion. But most of the hawaii gamers I've 
> played with over the past 6 years claim that those numbers suck, and 
> only play with that latency because there's no alternatives here in 
> hawaii (that part is true, NOBODY hosts game servers in hawaii - I 
> host mine off my work connection, which has a 2 megabit uplink, and 
> goes damn near unused at night).
>
> Like I said, it's the mindset. I used to live in cali (fresno) so I've

> played on my fair share of low and "high" ping servers, and you're 
> right
> - if you're good, you'll do fine with high ping, but if you suck... 
> Well you just suck, and low ping won't help you any.
>
> msleeper has been on the end of a few of my hawaii sucks for internet 
> rants in irc .... I should show you the colo quote I got here ...
>
> -mauirixxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:23 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC?
> (wasVoogrucheaterplugin)
>
> Half of my regulars are in Europe or South America or Asia. Some of 
> them come in with fairly ugly pings, but a ping of ~225 from Europe is

> not at all unusual. Not the best, but still perfectly playable (at 
> least for those of us that remember what it was like to play with dial

> up modems LOL). Back in my day (when Men were Men and I had to walk 
> barefoot in the snow to school - uphill - both ways...) I could, with 
> my 250ms ping, whip the cable modem guys butts easily. If you are 
> good, you are good even with mediocre ping, and if you suck, then you 
> whine and cheat I guess.
>
> No one - and I mean no one - whines about consistent lag because they 
> are connecting from some other country. I'm watching some guy from 
> Germany with a ping of 260 kicking butt. I have players in Seattle 
> that connect to my server with a ping of about 35. And they really 
> aren't any better then the 260ms pinging Germans.
>
> In all fairness, I don't remember ever seeing anyone connecting from 
> Hawaii - how bad is their ping that they feel they have to cheat?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clyde cide" <thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com>
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC? (was
> Voogrucheaterplugin)
>
>
>>I get service guys from Korea that play on mine with no lag, Denmark, 
>>Portugal, Russia and a few others that play with out lag as well. My 
>>server  is in Chicago.
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM, matan nov <tanktun...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I play from Israel on US servers with no lag, I'm literally on the 
>>> other side of the world.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Rick Payton <r...@mai-hawaii.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> > A lot of the "kids" here in hawaii tend to go for the aimbot / 
>>> > wallhack combo. Their usual justification is to compensate for the

>>> > inherent lag of playing from Hawaii on a US mainland server, but 
>>> > that's the cheat's they like.
>>> >
>>> > I run Kigens anti cheat, and that catches a small handfull of 
>>> > cheaters, but it seems to work ok.
>>> >
>>> > <offtopic>Holy shit, HoundDawg made a post - I haven't seen any 
>>> > activity from you in years. Are you getting back into server 
>>> > duties?</offtopic>
>>> >
>>> > -mauirixxx
>>> > -sent via my United Admins fanboyism - even if it's seemingly no 
>>> > longer relevant :/
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> > HoundDawg
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:55 AM
>>> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> > Subject: [hlds] Top Cheating Features Bypassing VAC? (was Voogru
>>> > cheaterplugin)
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, it's been a number of years since I've been an active 
>>> > server
>
>>> > admin.  So, after all of these years, the VAC isn't sufficient 
>>> > enough still?  I'd think (or hoped) that if Valve was going to 
>>> > kill
>
>>> > off projects like CDeath and HLGuard, they'd have a way better 
>>> > solution in place by now.
>>> >
>>> > What are the top cheating features that are getting past VAC today

>>> > (I don't want cheat names, simply the styles... e.g. aimbot, 
>>> > wallhack, etc..)?
>>> >
>>> > HoundDawg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > MjrNuT wrote:
>>> > > Voogru,
>>> > >
>>> > > That makes alot of sense.  If you do seriously consider a 
>>> > > stripped down version, I wouldn't mind contributing something 
>>> > > for
>
>>> > > your time, and maybe others wouldn't either.  Not saying I'm 
>>> > > speaking for them...but us laymen know that time is money, or 
>>> > > its
> just fun.
>>> > >
>>> > > Feel free to contact me separately if you wish, like helping to 
>>> > > prod you more, laymen or not, I'd be glad to as it couldn't 
>>> > > hurt,
> right?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for making this a _possibility_,
>>> > >
>>> > > [FLASH] MjrNuT
>>> > > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality
>>> > >
>>> > > www.flamesandash.com
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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