On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 09:14:50PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mark Ellis wrote:
> Well we all need personal time but while Valve are down the beach I and many
> others are sitting here putting servers back up as fast as they are taken
> down because the smart guys at mygot release this info end of the week
> knowing that there will be 3-4 days before valve even start to look at a
> fix.
>
> We had a beta test and what a joke that was one map slow updates you could
> hardly call it a beta more just a hardware test.

 Agreed.

>
> Like many others I think valve is too slow at releasing these fixes, we all
> moved over to steam so they could send out lots of small fixes fast but from
> what I can see steam is just a way of them collecting more data on users
> than rolling out fixes.

 Steam is primary a money making machine. Its purpose is also delivering
patches, content etc. but think.. Steam does a hell of a job for Valve and a
really poor job for the little guy [valve steam product user]. And yes
INDEPENDENCE from Vivendi [forgot about that one].

 I'm not against Steam but no other company has ever used such a method of
control for the money.

 This list is about 80% filled with frustration when you read the mails.
Kinda makes you think cs, dod and others were doing fine back in the days
when they were free.

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