Bump!!! Answer please! Thomas Kalman wrote: > Hi there, > > I would like to discuss a solution for the problem with forcing cvars like > sys_ticrate via start-commandline. > > The blocking of the alias commandline is making it unpossible to force any > commands like sys_ticrate. Is there any possibilty of forcing cvar's via > startup command, without using "alias" ? > > Is there a Valve official that could make a statement to this issue? > > As a gameserver-hoster it's essential to force the sys_ticrate for your > clients, so that they don't go bezerk with the sys_ticrate command and > influence other gameservers on the rootserver. > > Best regards > > Thomas > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <hlds_linux-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com> To: <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: hlds_linux Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9
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Re: New browser engine support for steam? (Saint K.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:18:24 +0100 > From: David Kellaway <david.kella...@member.fsf.org> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: > <991c1d8f0906040418w1a034e40n8fe83642e292a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2009/6/4 DontWannaName! <ad...@topnotchclan.com>: >> I dont know if they can since they use the hacks that are specific to IE >> for >> the overlay. > Hacks in what sense? While I don't imagine it's easy to layer a > browser over a game using DirectX, it shouldn't be any harder to add > in any arbitrary third-party control, Gecko/WebKit included. I'd be > interested to know how they implemented it. (I've been writing > software that embeds a browser for part of its functionality recently, > and switching it to use Mozilla's engine was a few days work for me > working alone.) > >> Plus they are probably not willing to rewrite the ingame >> browser at all. But they may use your default browser eventually. > They can't embed your default browser, but they could switch to > something like gecko or webkit. I expect they're using IE because it's > the easy option, even if it's not necessarily the best. I can see this > being more of a problem now IE is more decoupled from Windows - > there's no guarantee that an IE update won't break part of the store, > or that a user won't uninstall IE completely leaving Steam unable to > show web pages. If Valve were embedding another browser engine they > could control the version and know exactly how it behaves. (Plus from > an overlay point of view, something like Webkit is considerably faster > than IE, so there might be a performance increase.) > > -Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:18:34 +0100 > From: <gamead...@127001.org> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: "'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'" > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <88c4ff1f30be45f5aa86e4b8d937c...@ed.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If I recall correctly, Valve are investigating other browsers as they > don't > like some parts of the embedded IE (there's a forum post somewhere). I > think part of the issue was finding one with enough embedding > functionality > that's also lightweight from an install point of view (considering it > needs > to stand apart from whatever browsers you have installed - unlike with IE, > they can't make assumptions about it being installed). > > Surely the people smart enough to use an alternative browser* are also > smart > enough to keep their system up to date? > > * Or people like me - I'm one of those odd people who has Opera, Firefox > etc. installed but uses IE by choice, on windows anyway. Yes, we do > exist. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >> Of Ian Fox >> Sent: 04 June 2009 11:08 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? >> >> The IE component is probably the hardest part with setting up >> steam client >> on linux operating systems, so it'd be nice to get rid of it, >> but I don't >> think this is the place to discuss this. Maybe shoot an >> email out to gabe? >> >> Sent from my Android Phone >> >> On Jun 4, 2009 6:03 AM, "Arg!" <chillic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> i imagine it would be quite a lot of work to integrate >> another engine into >> the overlay. >> >> But it would so be worth it to get rid of IE from my life completely. >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:47 PM, DontWannaName! <ad...@topnotchclan.com >> >wrote: >> >> > I dont know if they can since they use the hacks that are >> specific to IE > >> for > the overlay. Plu... >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:36:52 -0300 > From: Crazy Canucks <crazy_canu...@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <4a27b1d4.7000...@rogers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'll second and third this. It seems that most game developers make use > of the IE browser engine. Might have something to do with the way M$ > has bought its way into our educational systems... > > Craig H wrote: >> It would certainly be nice. >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>> I have a request. Most likely a bit radical for your design, but very >>> much wanted. >>> >>> The problem is as following. Steam uses IE as engine to display stuff in >>> the store, the motd etc etc. >>> As you know, IE is used less and less, and people now a days chose not >>> to install or update IE at all because their using an alternative >>> browser. (Our webstats show that IE is by far no longer the most used >>> browser). >>> >>> Now to come to our problem, because we don't install or update IE >>> anymore, we get faced with all sorts of render problems caused by the >>> old IE engine (IE6). Widespread webmasters are fully dropping IE6 >>> supports because their tired of having to implement countless hacks to >>> make it browser compatible. >>> >>> Could steam please consider implementing or supporting alternative >>> browser engines? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:50:50 -0400 > From: Joseph Laws <jl...@hd-gaming.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Still having a problem with banning "alias > commands" > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <4a27b51a.5010...@hd-gaming.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Bump > > Thomas Kalman wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I would like to discuss a solution for the problem with forcing cvars >> like >> sys_ticrate via start-commandline. >> >> The blocking of the alias commandline is making it unpossible to force >> any >> commands like sys_ticrate. Is there any possibilty of forcing cvar's via >> startup command, without using "alias" ? >> >> Is there a Valve official that could make a statement to this issue? >> >> As a gameserver-hoster it's essential to force the sys_ticrate for your >> clients, so that they don't go bezerk with the sys_ticrate command and >> influence other gameservers on the rootserver. >> >> Best regards >> >> Thomas >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:01:00 +0100 > From: <gamead...@127001.org> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: <crazy_canu...@rogers.com>, "'Half-Life dedicated Linux server > mailing list'" <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <6752a5aa799249d48d4d1e0de065c...@ed.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > No, it's to do with the fact that on a windows box, it's the one > embeddable > browser you can guarentee will be installed. Nothing to do with > brainwashed > or bribed programmers. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >> Of Crazy Canucks >> Sent: 04 June 2009 12:37 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? >> >> I'll second and third this. It seems that most game >> developers make use >> of the IE browser engine. Might have something to do with the way M$ >> has bought its way into our educational systems... >> >> Craig H wrote: >> > It would certainly be nice. >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Saint K. >> <sai...@specialattack.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> I have a request. Most likely a bit radical for your >> design, but very >> >> much wanted. >> >> >> >> The problem is as following. Steam uses IE as engine to >> display stuff in >> >> the store, the motd etc etc. >> >> As you know, IE is used less and less, and people now a >> days chose not >> >> to install or update IE at all because their using an alternative >> >> browser. (Our webstats show that IE is by far no longer >> the most used >> >> browser). >> >> >> >> Now to come to our problem, because we don't install or update IE >> >> anymore, we get faced with all sorts of render problems >> caused by the >> >> old IE engine (IE6). Widespread webmasters are fully dropping IE6 >> >> supports because their tired of having to implement >> countless hacks to >> >> make it browser compatible. >> >> >> >> Could steam please consider implementing or supporting alternative >> >> browser engines? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:04:00 +0100 > From: <gamead...@127001.org> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: <crazy_canu...@rogers.com>, "'Half-Life dedicated Linux server > mailing list'" <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: <9828000893444f4483aa9b484d183...@ed.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Didn't find the original thread, but I found a repost of Valve's stance on > this, including why they use it (it's available on all PCs) and why they'd > want to change it (in-game browser is a bit of a hack) > > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9907668&postcount=2 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >> Of Crazy Canucks >> Sent: 04 June 2009 12:37 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? >> >> I'll second and third this. It seems that most game >> developers make use >> of the IE browser engine. Might have something to do with the way M$ >> has bought its way into our educational systems... >> >> Craig H wrote: >> > It would certainly be nice. >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Saint K. >> <sai...@specialattack.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> I have a request. Most likely a bit radical for your >> design, but very >> >> much wanted. >> >> >> >> The problem is as following. Steam uses IE as engine to >> display stuff in >> >> the store, the motd etc etc. >> >> As you know, IE is used less and less, and people now a >> days chose not >> >> to install or update IE at all because their using an alternative >> >> browser. (Our webstats show that IE is by far no longer >> the most used >> >> browser). >> >> >> >> Now to come to our problem, because we don't install or update IE >> >> anymore, we get faced with all sorts of render problems >> caused by the >> >> old IE engine (IE6). Widespread webmasters are fully dropping IE6 >> >> supports because their tired of having to implement >> countless hacks to >> >> make it browser compatible. >> >> >> >> Could steam please consider implementing or supporting alternative >> >> browser engines? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:11:31 +0200 > From: "Saint K." <sai...@specialattack.net> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Message-ID: > <72d95a26fca75b4ca01c45d7051854031...@mrgreen.specialattack.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I can understand the earlier choice of using IE as engine. Although now > the market is changing, MS is being forced to de-attach IE from windows > most likely; I feel its time for a change, especially now when we start > to notice our users are having issues with the old IE6 engine. > > Cheers, > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of > gamead...@127001.org > Sent: donderdag 4 juni 2009 14:01 > To: crazy_canu...@rogers.com; 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing > list' > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > > No, it's to do with the fact that on a windows box, it's the one > embeddable > browser you can guarentee will be installed. Nothing to do with > brainwashed > or bribed programmers. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >> Of Crazy Canucks >> Sent: 04 June 2009 12:37 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? >> >> I'll second and third this. It seems that most game >> developers make use >> of the IE browser engine. Might have something to do with the way M$ >> has bought its way into our educational systems... >> >> Craig H wrote: >> > It would certainly be nice. >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Saint K. >> <sai...@specialattack.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> I have a request. Most likely a bit radical for your >> design, but very >> >> much wanted. >> >> >> >> The problem is as following. Steam uses IE as engine to >> display stuff in >> >> the store, the motd etc etc. >> >> As you know, IE is used less and less, and people now a >> days chose not >> >> to install or update IE at all because their using an alternative >> >> browser. (Our webstats show that IE is by far no longer >> the most used >> >> browser). >> >> >> >> Now to come to our problem, because we don't install or update IE >> >> anymore, we get faced with all sorts of render problems >> caused by the >> >> old IE engine (IE6). Widespread webmasters are fully dropping IE6 >> >> supports because their tired of having to implement >> countless hacks to >> >> make it browser compatible. >> >> >> >> Could steam please consider implementing or supporting alternative >> >> browser engines? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list archives, please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.52/2152 - Release Date: > 06/03/09 18:00:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > End of hlds_linux Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
