Yeah--I kind of was not expecting the software to be Free [Speech] as how
many
of these groups would want. Hence why I suggested mostly noncommercial and
nonfree repository groups be looked at.
As well, this line/tangent of thought mostly came from somebody's desire
for a
binary version of Alien Swarm able to be downloaded.
The idea was then to go to repositories that are pretty anal about sending
patches upstream (hence why Canonical (Ubuntu) is never really mentioned
here)--so that any changes they need to make, would be sent back to the
developers.
Again the idea is that any of the stuff in these repos would be freely (as
in
beer) available as a download on Steam's website/market, so Valve would not
have too many issues if the repository people opened a line of
communication--
under the idea of making their software work easier on the various distros
(essentially giving them an easier way to target these markets).
These groups tend to be very anal about making sure that all the legalities
are met and followed.
Ah--screw it, this will just turn out like last time, where I will type all
this, and all anybody will read is, "Katrina is suggesting we fork Valve's
software"--or some other completely ludicrous misinterpretation from left
field
of what I am actually saying.
~Katrina
On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 08:18:05 am ics wrote:
> Now i remember. The developers of mani-admin (i think it was them) had
> part of the Sourcecode hosted elsewhere. Valve kindly asked them to
> remove it. Most likely you cannot do that. Then again, this game is free
> of charge so it might be a tad different. E-mail Steam support and ask
them.
>
> -ics
>
> 20.7.2010 16:40, Ben Mendis kirjoitti:
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, ics<i...@ics-base.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> It's propably the same as for other Source games. Free to use but
selling
> >> the things you do is not allowed. I also remember something along the
lines
> >> "redistributing the sourcecode is forbidden".
> >>
> >>
> > Yea that's the part I'm concerned about. Am I allowed to host the code
on
a
> > public repository server (eg, github.com)?
> >
> >
> >> -ics
> >>
> >> 20.7.2010 16:10, Ben Mendis kirjoitti:
> >>
> >> It looks like the source code is included with the SDK. Now the next
> >>
> >>> question is, what software license applies to this source code?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Katrina Payne<
> >>> fullmetalhar...@nimhlabs.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> hmm--from what I saw on the page, there may be a chance that
somebody
> >>>> could
> >>>> get something going between Fedora's RPM Fusion, Arch Linux' Package
> >>>> Management and Debian's nonfree stuff--to have this, and perhaps the
> >>>> dedicated
> >>>> server systems in at least the nonfree/commercial type package
managers.
> >>>>
> >>>> My understanding is that at least Fedora and Arch Linux tend to be
very
> >>>> good
> >>>> at sending their patches up stream to well--Steam. (is assault for
> >>>> autrocious
> >>>> alliteration--AGAIN!)
> >>>>
> >>>> As since it does not look like money is currently exchanging hands
in
> >>>> this
> >>>> deal, there is no money for the RPM Fusion Project, Arch Linux and
Debian
> >>>> to
> >>>> worry about getting back and forth. Though--since it is not free
(well
at
> >>>> least not as in Free Speech--it is free beer)--it would need to be
one
of
> >>>> the
> >>>> nonfree and commercial repositories.
> >>>>
> >>>> But then--I am silly.
> >>>>
> >>>> ~Katrina
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 05:08:38 am Roman Hatsiev wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://store.steampowered.com/app/630/
> >>>>> <http://store.steampowered.com/app/630/>"Along with the game get
the
> >>>>> _complete_code_base_ for Alien Swarm that features updates to the
Source
> >>>>> engine as well as the SDK."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Call me old fashioned but I would prefer to download working server
from
> >>>>> Steam rather than compile anything myself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Katrina Payne<
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> fullmetalhar...@nimhlabs.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Call me silly--but I was under the distinct impression that Source
Code
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> handy dandy Software Development Kit (SDK) were NOT one and the
same
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I mean--call me even sillier, but I find it hard to think on how I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> use a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> SDK if there are no binaries to link against. And well--since no
Linux
> >>>>>> version
> >>>>>> is available, and I did not think Wine currently allowed linking
Linux
> >>>>>> programs against Windows Binaries... I am going to say that the
SDK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> cannot
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> linked against on Linux.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Call me silly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now--if you meant, "the community can see what the Alien Swarm SDK
is
> >>>>>> suppose
> >>>>>> to do, and make a work a like", then I would be in complete
agreement
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> community could do that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not certain they'd really WANT to do that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But they could do that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ~Katrina
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:17:30 am Andrew Armstrong wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I see an Alien Swarm - SDK under Tools in Steam.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>> - Andrew
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of
Ben
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mendis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 July 2010 3:51 PM
> >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Alien Swarm is now available
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I keep reading that but I have yet to see the source code posted
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> anywhere.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you would be so kind as to point it out to me I would gladly
get
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> started
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> on it.
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:10 AM, ics<i...@ics-base.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Either Alfred is too busy to do it or they have no plans to
release
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ded
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> server for Linux for this game themselves. Perhaps for this reason,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> sourcecode was released along the game. They want to see how much
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> people can do.
> >>>>>>>> -ics
> >>>>>>>> 20.7.2010 8:00, Richard GrosJean kirjoitti:
> >>>>>>>> Pretty please. :'-(
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Ben Mendis<
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> dragonwis...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Milton Ngan<
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> mil...@valvesoftware.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry if I wasn't clear. Alien Swarm is not currently
supported
> >>>>>>>>>>> on Linux.
> >>>>>>>>>> I think I speak for a lot of admins when I say that this is a
> >>>>>>>>> little
> >>>>> disappointing. I hope Linux support is added soon.
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