If you don't like how things are being done - the bugs that are showing up, the frequency of the updates, or whatever it is you are crying about this week - then turn your server off. srcds didn't cost you money to download, and you know that you don't need the pain in the ass that is running the server. I know I sure don't!
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Tyler Schwend <tylerschw...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's all well and good, but let's not direct our ire at the programmers. > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Saul Rennison <saul.renni...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Nobody demanded anything, the admins here just point out that bugs that >> plague their servers haven't been fixed in months. If all the admins who are >> sick of the server bugs took down their servers, then the remaining servers >> would be constantly full. That's a given. >> >> And they need more programmers if they can't keep up with their bug list. >> They have absolute masses of money from Steam, so 5 more programmers on >> their payroll wouldn't make them bankrupt. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> *Saul Rennison* >> >> >> On 30 July 2011 21:34, Tyler Schwend <tylerschw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> [New thread to keep the update thread relevant] >>> >>> While a game is nothing without servers, server admins are a dime a >>> dozen. If everyone on this list shut their servers down, there would >>> still be Valve servers, and there would still be the giant number of >>> other hosted servers. We obviously have a small role in the success of >>> TF2 and its new model, but this attitude that the Valve devs work for >>> you, and you can somehow force them into working overtime with a >>> crappy attitude is crap. You're not their manager, you can't posture >>> and intimidate them into magically fixing this stuff. They have >>> deadlines at work just like you guys do, they're being driven to add >>> features at the same pace you are at work, while trying to keep pace >>> with an ever-increasingly-complex list of bugs and the way they >>> interact with each other. Provide server info, crash reports, etc, >>> that is useful. This spouting off about how YOU think they're not >>> doing a good job and you demand some kind of immediate resolution, >>> this sense of entitlement... it's not helpful for anyones' attitude or >>> productivity. It's probably why they're never active in conversation >>> here. Go outside. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Saul Rennison <saul.renni...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > A games company with no supporting server admins is a games company with >>> > customers with jack shit to play online. >>> > >>> > How the hell can you say that Valve owe them nothing? Server admins pay >>> > monthly for dedicated servers with their *own money* to play a game they >>> > love, I personally think they're brilliant. >>> > >>> > >>> > Kind regards, >>> > *Saul Rennison* >>> > >>> > >>> > On 30 July 2011 20:50, Brian <eternal....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Actually Valve owes its customers everything. Now I am not slamming >>> Valve >>> >> at all. I have bought multiple copies of damn near everything they have >>> >> made. But the fact is they wouldn't be anything without us. They >>> wouldn't be >>> >> the giant they are without the modders, the community, the server ops, >>> the >>> >> players, all of us. It is a business and without customers it is just >>> some >>> >> guys sitting around. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- From: tylerschw...@gmail.com >>> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:45 AM >>> >> >>> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released >>> >> >>> >> Cool it with the atitude. Valve owes you nothing. Go get some sun. >>> >> >>> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: "Bajdechi \"Nightbox\" Alexandru" <alexandrualexa...@gmail.com> >>> >> Sender: hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com< >>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:24:35 >>> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list<hlds_linux@list.** >>> >> valvesoftware.com <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>> >> Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>> >> <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftware.com <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com >>> >> >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released >>> >> >>> >> My server just crashed right after the map changed. I'm already losing >>> >> patience, What the hell does it takes so long for a fix ? It's more than >>> a >>> >> week already. >>> >> >>> >> 2011/7/30 Jesse Porter <reacherg...@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> >> And from (I think!) 2Fort: >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >>> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >>> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >>> please visit: >>> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
