Nobody's demonizing any other groups. The point is that eventually we'll be left with just a few to pick from, as opposed to the multitude of options available currently (albeit many don't ever see any players due to Quickplay).
Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Bottiger <bottige...@gmail.com> wrote: > It isn't fair to mention us in the same phrase. I think you are well aware > of the negative connotations associated with those other groups. > > We only ever expanded when all of our servers were full all day and our > players wanted more. This is not true about any of the groups you lumped us > with. We are also not as old as them. > > As I have said before, this change will negatively affect groups of all age > and sizes. It might not happen as quickly, but eventually the number of old > players quitting will be much larger than the new players coming in. So I > would not present Valve with a false choice of either big bad communities > or small righteous ones. > > This practice of demonizing other groups to get Valve to change their > restrictions needs to stop. I've seen enough of it here and it never works. > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> > wrote: > > > Bottiger: I have nothing against you or Lotus, as you seem to think I do. > > My point was merely that eventually, we'll just be left with the big > > chains. This means there's much less variety in the servers available to > > pick from. > > > > Nerdboy: You're reading too far into it. It's a big enough number to make > > Quickplay significant, but not so big as to ensure continued success. > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You didn't say it was an average. You said that 19% of your quickplay > > > connections (of which you receive 47% of your total connections daily) > > > are retained as regular players. That means that daily, 8.93% of your > > > connections become regular players (not including those that saw your > > > network in the server list and just decided to join.) Unless that > > > wasn't what you were saying at all, in which case 19% is a lot more > > > insignificant. > > > > > > On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > > > > I don't think you understand what an average is. We retain *on > average* > > > > around 19% of Quickplay users. That's in total. In reality, we rely > on > > > > Quickplay just as much as many others do. We're just fortunate enough > > to > > > > have a fairly large buffer of non-Quickplay players. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I have a feeling your 10% daily growth in the past is going to > plenty > > > >> to keep you afloat in these hard times. > > > >> > > > >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > > > >> > Except most of Quickplay has just been shut off from us. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Dr. McKay > > > >> > www.doctormckay.com > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Ok, but if you have ~50% quickplay traffic, and you're retaining > > ~20% > > > >> >> of it, you should be set for a while. Just don't buy any more > > servers > > > >> >> for a bit. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > > > >> >> > I log a bunch of stats about all players who connect to my > > > >> >> > community. > > > >> I > > > >> >> > queried my database. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > This is the plugin to log stats: > > > >> >> > https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=230832 > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Dr. McKay > > > >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >> Can you cite your source? > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > In my experience, 19% of people who join via Quickplay come > > > back. > > > >> >> >> > That's > > > >> >> >> > not an insignificant number. > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > Dr. McKay > > > >> >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > > > >> >> >> > thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> If your players were only in your servers because of > > quickplay, > > > >> >> >> >> they > > > >> >> >> >> probably do not care one iota about your Server (the entity > > > that > > > >> is > > > >> >> >> >> the > > > >> >> >> >> collection of your hardware, admins, regulars, plugins, > etc), > > > >> >> >> >> you > > > >> >> were > > > >> >> >> >> just > > > >> >> >> >> some hallway that connected them from "not playing TF2" to > > > >> "playing > > > >> >> >> TF2". > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> When their match is done and over, they hit disconnect, > never > > > >> >> >> >> add > > > >> >> >> >> you > > > >> >> >> >> to > > > >> >> >> >> favorites, and may never show back up again. You could see > > this > > > >> >> >> >> as > > > >> >> >> "Valve > > > >> >> >> >> stealing your quickplay traffic" or you could see this as > > > "Valve > > > >> >> >> rounding > > > >> >> >> >> up the people who mash PLAYNOW and have no interest in > > > dedicated > > > >> >> >> servers, > > > >> >> >> >> or server communities". > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> It's a changing demographic - people just want to play > > > >> >> >> >> videogames, > > > >> >> not > > > >> >> >> >> really sign up for a whole 'favorite server loyalty > program'. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> And who cares if our servers "die out"? What are we out? > Ego? > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Doctor McKay > > > >> >> >> >> <mc...@doctormckay.com > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > For lack of a better word, this is the last stand of > > > community > > > >> >> >> servers. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > The smaller communities that depend on Quickplay to gain > > > >> >> >> >> > popularity > > > >> >> >> >> > will > > > >> >> >> >> > die out. We'll be left with nothing but the > > > >> >> >> >> > already-large-and-established > > > >> >> >> >> > server chains, like Lotus, Skial, Saigns, and NighTeam. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > Dr. McKay > > > >> >> >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > > > >> >> >> >> > thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure this is that big of a deal. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > I've yet to see a single sane suggestion on how they > > police > > > >> bad > > > >> >> >> >> > > servers > > > >> >> >> >> > > other than "have people report them", which sounds > like a > > > >> >> >> >> > > bad > > > >> >> idea > > > >> >> >> >> > > for > > > >> >> >> >> > many > > > >> >> >> >> > > hopefully obvious reasons. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > These are just video game servers; you aren't making > > money > > > >> >> >> >> > > off > > > >> >> >> >> > > them, > > > >> >> >> >> > > if > > > >> >> >> >> > > they sit empty you aren't losing money off them either > > > [more > > > >> >> >> >> > > than > > > >> >> >> the > > > >> >> >> >> > cost > > > >> >> >> >> > > of running the server, which you're already doing]. And > > if > > > >> >> >> >> > > you > > > >> >> are > > > >> >> >> >> > (making > > > >> >> >> >> > > or losing money), then I would say Valve wants to put > > those > > > >> >> >> >> > > kind > > > >> >> >> >> > > of > > > >> >> >> >> > servers > > > >> >> >> >> > > out, as they generally fart up the experience with > > donation > > > >> >> >> requests, > > > >> >> >> >> or > > > >> >> >> >> > > donor perks, annoying MOTDs, sound packs, or whatever > > else > > > >> >> >> >> > > you > > > >> >> >> >> > > crazy > > > >> >> >> >> > > SourceMod kiddies do nowadays. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > People here are acting as if this some last stand > > > situation. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Game-Over > > > >> >> >> >> > > <gameover.serv...@gmail.com > > > >> >> >> >> > > >wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > We've spoken before via Email and as an honest server > > > >> >> >> >> > > > operator > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> >> >> > > > have > > > >> >> >> >> > > > followed your directions via email to the letter. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > So, Fletcher, please justify this ludicrous move you > > have > > > >> now > > > >> >> >> >> > > > made > > > >> >> >> >> > > > to > > > >> >> >> >> > > > Quickplay, after all of the support that we (us) > > genuine > > > >> >> >> >> > > > server > > > >> >> >> >> owners > > > >> >> >> >> > > have > > > >> >> >> >> > > > given you in the past years. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > You chose this route rather than actually dealing > with > > > >> >> >> >> > > > corrupt > > > >> >> >> >> > > > server > > > >> >> >> >> > > > owners themselves, which we (on this mailing list) > have > > > >> asked > > > >> >> >> >> > > > you > > > >> >> >> >> > > > to > > > >> >> >> >> do > > > >> >> >> >> > > on > > > >> >> >> >> > > > multiple occasions. > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > 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