> > Haha, I can't believe how I've seemingly managed to start off a Quickplay > discussion, or perhaps debate, just by mentioning it earlier on as an > example of the one of many failings that Valve doesn't officially keep > people up to date on.
I found it funny too, but it's not surprising. This mailing list is (mostly) for people who host their own servers, so any changes that make our lives harder tend to put us all on the same side. The quickplay changes hurt pretty much all of us, big and small, and I'm sure caused the death of a few smaller communities. However, the changes also hurt the "communities" that didn't care for the users at all but instead focused on making money. That last part is probably the most important, since Valve's intention was to eliminate pay-to-win and ad-spamming servers. If we want to inspire change, we need to have a compelling argument that the majority of us can get behind--not just "psht, you ruined my servers, revert the changes or I'll shout at you." You said it though "Default Quickplay Settings" - Valve needs to take the > default settings off of Valve servers as targets and apply them to the > Community servers or just mix them up so they are all showing up not just > Valve servers. So far this is the only idea I've actually seen recently, and it's a solid start. I think that leaving them how they are is fine for the first ~50 hours of gameplay. Show new users what vanilla TF2 is like and teach them how to play on Valve servers, but after they have played a bit have a dialog pop-up on launch asking if they want to include community servers in their Quickplay searches. Add a sentence or two about what this would mean to their experience and give them a choice to turn off the valve-only option. Users who have some experience in TF2 will know that they don't have to deal with spammy advertisements, and know when a server is doing something that is game-breaking. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com> wrote: > Haha, I can't believe how I've seemingly managed to start off a Quickplay > discussion, or perhaps debate, just by mentioning it earlier on as an > example of the one of many failings that Valve doesn't officially keep > people up to date on. > > > On 27 August 2014 16:37, Ilya Larin <ilya.dem.la...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Valve said that there will not be server quickplay scores in the future > > > > > > 2014-08-27 19:31 GMT+04:00 Alexander Corn <mc...@doctormckay.com>: > > > > > Setting the server host to "don't care" by default wouldn't even help > at > > > this point unless it came with a complete reset of all Valve servers' > > > scores. Being the default servers for so long has artificially inflated > > > their scores. > > > > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Frank <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: > > > > > > > You can't argue with him..I have no idea why I even replied. > > > > > > > > You said it though "Default Quickplay Settings" - Valve needs to take > > the > > > > default settings off of Valve servers as targets and apply them to > the > > > > Community servers or just mix them up so they are all showing up not > > just > > > > Valve servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ilya > > > Larin > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:21 AM > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] New SteamID format for TF2 > > > > > > > > dan, you don`t get the point of this discussion. While old bad > servers > > > are > > > > full of players, new good servers can`t get players not because they > > are > > > > bad, but because players don`t want to open server browser and look > > for a > > > > good server. (Im not saying that all old servers are bad and all new > > > > servers > > > > are good) New players don`t even know how to search a nice server, > they > > > are > > > > not familiar with that. They are just using default quickplay > settings. > > > Old > > > > players also don`t use serverbrowser, as they have already found a > > > servers > > > > community to regular on. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-08-27 19:06 GMT+04:00 dan <needa...@ntlworld.com>: > > > > > > > > > On 27/08/2014 15:59, Alexander Corn wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> How, exactly, do you expect people to get players on their servers > > > > >> when about 45% of people probably don't even know that the server > > > > >> browser exists? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Right, because only a guy who pretends to be a Doctor can be > > > > > intelligent enough to use the server browser. > > > > > > > > > > Sheesh, people were playing TF2 for years when the only way to get > on > > > > > a server was with the browser. > > > > > How do you suppose they did that? They were all gifted and > talented? > > > > > > > > > > As I've said before, if you cannot join a server, ask and I'm sure > > > > > others will help you but don't keep repeating this ridiculous > > argument > > > > > that people can't join your server because they need to use the > > > > > browser. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
