Dear Klaus, sorry I have to correct you:

even a bigger company has very few master craftsmen, who supervise  
production or just customize
few instruments (Meister !!). The apprentices do not assemble  
instruments, but they are involved in many
smaller tasks e.g. preparing single parts, polishing. They are not  
involved in cutting the metal sheet,
bending the tubes, but perhaps out-denting, calibrating tubes using  
certain machine help.

They main work is done by craftsmen after they have received their  
diploma (Gesellenbrief !).
That are the usual rules.

Apprentices produce e.g. joints, valve caps, finger hooks, valve  
levers, if they are not bought
from a mass part producer. Apprentices build their first trumpet  
(mostly) for their examen.

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Am 02.10.2010 um 22:23 schrieb Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre:

> As for the lyre holder, it is no surprise on a German made single Bb  
> horn.
>
> Marching horns are not common in Europe. Some players march their  
> double horn. However military bands in countries like my own and  
> Germany tend to march single Bb horns.
>
> Makers like Amati-Cerveny, B&S-Hoyer-Weltmeister, and Miraphone  
> used, what I call a modular design system. Beginner models and top  
> models had the exact same acoustic design, that is : the tubing was  
> the same. The various price levels then determined the  
> sophistication of the lever system, the amount of nickel silver  
> trim, the number of valves, the assembly done by apprentice or maser  
> craftsman, and the engraving.
>
> Single Bb horns could be had with 3, 4, or 5 valves. F tubas could  
> have 3, 4, 5, or 6 valves.
>
> Klaus
>
> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, J. Ewalt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> From: J. Ewalt <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hardware question
>> To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 6:02 PM
>> Thanks, Klaus, I recall that
>> discussion, too.  Another piece of info I
>> didn't mention - this horn also has a lyre holder,
>> suggesting that it
>> may have been aimed at the school market.  The "valve
>> loop node"
>> explanation seems like a rather esoteric feature for a
>> [possibly]
>> student horn.  But then maybe Mirafone didn't want to
>> use different
>> valve sections on their different lines.
>>
>> BTW, the high Bb seems OK on this horn.  I can't blame
>> it on the hardware.
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On 10/1/2010 2:00 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote:
>>> One reason may be the problems some Geyer type horn
>> have had with high Bb on the Bb side. Some posters a long
>> time ago ascribed that problem to the bore variances within
>> the 1st valve loop, when the 1st slide is pulled. Miraphone
>> and Hoyer single Bb horns are very similar to the Bb side of
>> Geyer horns.
>>>
>>> By reversing the slide, the bore variances are moved
>> to slightly different places, which may bring them out of
>> harms way for sore nodes.
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>>
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