----- Original Message ----- 
From: Leonard & Peggy Brown
To: Hans Pizka
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] is this the future?


Hans,
   What I see has nothing to do with Vienna Valves, I do understand what you 
mean about them being in a block.  To me a "block" means a retangular cube. 
Each tube would just be a channel routed inside the block.  It might well 
change the sound, but I do not know how much and the Bell would still be of 
brass.  The result would be a very light weight ugly horn, a black block 
connected to a bell with valves being just levers to actuate whatever type 
of valve is set in the block.  Ugg, I hope this doesn't happen, but it would 
be one way to mass produce horns and other brasswinds.

Kindest regards,
Leonard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hans Pizka
  To: Leonard & Peggy Brown ; The Horn List
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Hornlist] is this the future?


  There are some misunderstandings on your side:


  I did not say it were a matter of programming the router, but preparing 
(equipping) the machines
  with different (cutter or drill) tools. Different material requires 
different modes of drilling.


  And the material ? Does carbon fibre damp the sound waves, does it change 
the color of the sound ?
  Surely, it does.
  And the block thing ? We have that already with the Viennese Pumpen Valve. 
Forgotten ?
  This has nothing to do with the conservativism of musicians. How boring 
would it be, if all
  would sound alike ? I thought you all do not like uniforms much, do you ? 
Uniformity in the arts
  would result in the death of the arts. But politicians would like it. 
Uniform people are easier
  to govern as all be calculable.


  In Japan, they eventually developed melons, which come as cubes (no joke), 
much easier to pack
  as no space is wasted.
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  Am 17.07.2011 um 19:18 schrieb Leonard & Peggy Brown:


    I don't think cheaper instruments for the masses will involve much brass
    except the bell and perhaps the leadpipe.  I see blocks of carbon fiber 
with
    all the pipes routed inside and the valves drilled into the same block. 
It
    would be a small block because 2 pipes would share a common wall.  So 
you
    would have the bell attached to a black block with a leadpipe coming out 
the
    other end.  As Hans said, the trick would be to program the router, but
    thats about it.  After that is done one could produce a thousand bodies 
with
    almost no skilled humans around.  I don't really think this will take 
place
    because musicians are too conservative to change that much.

    LLB


      For sure the top instruments will be made on the same processes and 
today,

      but would be fine to reduce even more the costs of instruments for 
young

      students. By doing this more people can start to learn the horn 
specially

      on poor countries



      - Ricardo Matosinhos


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