Really ???? You apprecciate working on it, right. The task is it, to play it right, but is it enjoying, really ? ==================================
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Very interesting, Hans. Schoenberg is one of those composers where you really appreciate his music once you start working on it. Most audience members never have the perspective of growing with the music, either, which is something I really cherish :) It's quite different to view the music from the inside, as it were, rather than as a bystander. -William In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR > Date: 10/18/2003 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Bob, one should distinguish between art &artistic. Does the audience > really like the Schoenberg Woodwind Quintet ? I doubt. They accept it as > a difficult piece of the 20th century, nothing else. But enjoy listening > ? His music has been swept up after it was (unfairly) discriminated & > forbidden in his home country. BTW, I owned several handwritten > autograph letters about the woodwind quintet by Schoenberg himself. They > are in the Schoenberg archive now. Did you know, that his son studied > horn with Karl Stiegler ? > ============================================================ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Robert Osmun > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:38 PM > To: 'The Horn List' > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR > > Schönberg was once asked by a critic why he wrote "ugly" music. His > reply: > "I don't write ugly music, I get ugly performances." In the early > 1950's, > Schonberg's woodwind quintet was considered unplayable, until the > Gunther > Schuller recording. It was a triumph, though rough and full of mistakes; > now > the quintet is standard repertoire. > > Approach everything as if it were great music. Someday you might get > surprised. > > Bob Osmun > www.osmun.com > > PS to Hans-Hans, I figured out how to get Outlook to produce an umlaut > just > for you! All the best, Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Hans > Pizka > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:43 AM > To: 'The Horn List' > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR > > > Alban Berg is quite different to Schoenberg, dear Bob. Alban Berg is a > real > late Romantic composer and his Lulu is one of my favourite operas, > having > played it more than 50-times. And he is absolutely out of question. > > Schoenbergs Gurrelieder or his Moses &Aaron, well, they have romantic > parts, but I don’t get warm with these pieces. Getting warm, means also > remembering phrases after many years. This is not the case with > Schoenberg, > at least for me. From Moses &Aaron I just remember "take off your shoes > ......" and the dance around the golden calf, but nothing from the > Gurrelieder. I don’t get very warm with several of the Mahler symphonies > either, as they are too banal for my taste, but great fun to play them, > special no.1,2, 5 &8. > > Schoenberg is quite too much work for a very limited success. We do his > instrumentation of the Brahms Quartet (some kind of no.5 Brahms symphony > ???) for ballet. A lot of playing, but common stuff. > > And, I cannot find any fun playing Schoenberg, sorry. But approaching > Schoenberg &his consorts in a manner like approaching Beethovens > symphonies, makes it easier to play their music, much easier. > > If you have a schedule full of boring music, well, then there is just > one > choice, approach it if it were great music. > > That´s our survival technique. Right , Bob ? > > ============================================================ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Robert Ward > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:08 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR > > Hi all, > > Was moved to write by Hans comment below - over the years, my thinking > on Schoenberg and his buddies has changed - when I was a student and > then as a young professional, I used to think of that style of 12-tone > music as very intellectual and cold - but now, I have realized that the > key to having it sound right is to approach it and interpret it as a > Romantic style, since that is the genesis of this genre of music. > There are many more modern composers that I do think are excessively > academic and largely devoid of emotional content, but Schoenberg and > Berg are not among them, in my opinion. > > All the best to you, worldwide, > > Bob > > > On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 12:30 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: > > >For Schoenberg: you just need to play the written notes as exact as > >possible. Do you really enjoy Schoenberg ? > > **** > Bob Ward > Acting Principal Horn > San Francisco Symphony > http://home.earthlink.net/~rnward > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
