Hans, I knew you would bring more light onto the subject. Based on your examinations is it possible to place the date of K447?
Cheers, Steve -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:50 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Mozart vs JMHaydn Steven, I will try to lift the secret somewhen, if time & circumstances will allow. There are modern technical ways, to look behind ink splash or other obscuring entries. The number "3" on the front page is inserted later anyway, so I have to look behind, to know what Mozart wrote first. As I do not have a colour picture of this page (only b/w) I have to improvisate or wait for the new picture. Using Photo Paint you can brush away the "new number 3". It works fine. So I discovered things behind another large ink splash. The new technique is amazing. All other dating, well, I cannot believe 100%, as many musicologues have committed so many mistakes, e.g. Einstein saying: "this concerto cannot be composed for Leutgeb as it demands a musical understanding exceeding Leutgeb ...." (or similar), all in the context with (said) no.3 concerto. But no.3 concerto (after Andre´s numbering & publishing) is our no.4 Concerto K.495. This concerto is part of Mozarts own listing as "A horn concerto for Leitgeb". And our no.3 concerto K.447 has the name "Leitgeb" twice set above the horn line (3rd mov.) by Mozarts own handwriting. Did these people mixe up num,bering or did they not read Mozarts own entries ? No.2 K.417 has Mozarts dedication to Leutgeb on the front page anyway. These facts are not from hear say or reading it somewhere, they are my own eye witness, having the facsimile of the autographs in front of me. ============================================================ ============================================================ ============================= -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Ovitsky Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:17 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Mozart vs JMHaydn I trust you mean K. 447. K. 477 is a vocal work written for soprano Nancy Storace. There is evidence that the "traditional" date of K. 447, 1783, is incorrect. Some scholars, including Wolfgang Plath and Franz Giegling (NMA), theorize that it is from about 1787 based on the handwriting, Mozart's use of clarinets and bassoons in the orchestration and paper analysis. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky Santa Fe Chamber Music Festival ------------------------------ WIlliam Botte wrote: JM Haydn Romance for horn and strings dated Aug 30, 1795. JMH "borrowed" the horn melody almost totally, with some modifications. The arrangement has little or no relation to Mozarts 2nd movement K.477, 1783. See Diletto Musicale 832****W.A.Mozart-J.M.Haydn****Romance, As dur Fur horn und streichquartett****Werner Rainer****Doblinger, Wein. _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sotone%40cybermesa.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
