As I get older, I find myself less and less able to see things in black and white, as I did when I was younger. However, I've found that reducing things to simplicity doesn't require black or white, or good or evil classification. In the world today, and probably back to the cave man, we can put all people into one of two categories; A. those who feel empowered to personally take, or destroy, the lives of others, for any reason, and, B those who delegate retribution and punishment to acceptable authority entrusted to defend the rights of all. Either way can work, but majority must demand that one set of rules be applied to everyone. The day of the sword and sixgun is fairly recent. If you carried a weapon, best be prepared to use it. I have cats that like to kill birds. The cat's aren't evil, they're cats. A tree hugger neighbor put bells on the cats to protect her bird feeder. One by one the cats disappeared. Those bells were dinner bells to the local coyotes. The coyotes aren't evil, they're coyotes. I told the tree hugger I'd put the bells back on if she arranges the extermination of the coyotes. Interestingly, a mountain lion ate a bicyclist a few months back and started talk of eradicating the lions. Fortunately, they're protected because they eat the coyotes. People collectively have to decide what to do. With all the scare about terrorists, the US is constantly putting violent sex offenders back on the street, which creates far more victims, by far, than the terrorists do. Terrorists are usually satisfied to cause disruption. In the US, government agencies keep sex offenders supplied with Viagra. Saturday Night Live should spoof that commercial. Then again, we probably make a lot of money on the terrorist munitions. -----Original Message----- From: Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' <horn@music.memphis.edu> Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:24:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Peace ...
Matthew & others, You forgot important facts or descriptions of the real situation: Women are not liberated (officially) in many muslim societies, but they are in command of the business & the household in real life there. There are really resticted circles, where women are forced to use the Chador (veil), because of the existing super-jealousy of their husbands. But still there, women command everything except politics (but they work behind the scene). Women in muslim societies are protected against sexism & attacks as there exists capital punishment for violators. If you were invited to a muslim house, you would know that the ladies wear Gucci & Dior under their Kaftan. That´s the one side. Religious fanatics fight against the spoilage of their siciety by so called Western decadent behaviour, press, TV, etc. - which is our fault. Why do we export such senseless & disgusting & useless things to them ? Why do we always try to imply our view of the society to other societies. Are we really free ? I doubt. We live under the pressure of consumism, we nealy believe all what is told us by the TV, we believe it be the truth. An example: They also have brothels in muslim societies like in javanese (95 % muslim) Djakarta, but as a westerner you will never get any chance to visit one od these etablissements, as the Javanese say: "That is our case, our territory, no outsider should touch !" We have to understand, that every society has limitations with no exception. We have to understand that we with our narrow (also !) view, are excluded from some parts of their societies. And we have to respect. Some of you talked about the rich being the source for terrorism. That´s right, as they & special some of the super-rich get the informations about the super corrupt regimes in Saudi Arabia and ist super corrumped society (!!! E.g. sex parties of any imaginable & unimaginable taste, which nobody could even dream about in his worst nightmare, just ten or twenty years ago !) and the former super corrupt regime in Iraq and the corruption in all near East incl. Israel, who sells even high sophisticated military equipment to their worst enemies by using dark channels over third party middlemen. All is BUSINESS, even the TERRORISM. Some "events" might even been arranged by our side, to get things done quickly, to join forces for the GRIP ON OIL and other resources. If we would give up this politics, we would have a chance to calm down the waves, perhaps, if there would not be another new business related reason behind the other side : POWER, GRIP ON WORLD POWER, WORLD ORDER, from one side to the other, no difference. But common men are BETWEEN. Right, between MILL STONES. We SUFFER by the egocentrism of a few ---- on BOTH SIDES. I see no difference if I been hit by a suicide bomber or by a laser guided bomb or rocket shot from far away in a safe distance. If someone be killed or injured, I do not care which side has done it. It makes no difference at all. You resonate on Srbrenica, but what about Ugand & Rwanda-Burundi; Etiopia ? Have you forgotten Biafra ? Cambodia ? Hiroshima, Dresden ? I do not blame our Western friends for these two tragedies. It was just politics & necessary perhaps. I blame mankind as a whole, to let such things happen. Auschwitz, Mauthausen & the other lagers ? I have seen them. We have the large documentary center here in Dachau & I bring all my visiting friends to this place to experience the HELL. But why did mankind let this happen ? Did they close their eyes completely or were they drunk in their magalomania ? And we supported Pol Pot & Idi Amin & Saddam just for selfish interests. I just work through the official 8000+ pages of the official Kriegstagebuch of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (War diary of the suppreme command) to learn more about the facts, but learned, what nonsense came from The Fuehrer himself in his sermons for the generals as early as three years before the collaps, but all the generals remained silent until July 20th, 1944 when a handful of courageous amateur revolutionaries tried to eliminate the devil - unsuccessfully. But all the others remained TACET. That is our illness, our tragedy. It is ashaming for mankind. Deepest ashaming in the 21st century. I really feel sorry for this world, I feel sorry for all children. Their chances for the future are not so nice. For myself, baaah, 63 years have passed quite o.k. I am thankful for that, very thankful. ===========================================================================================================-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matthew scheffelman Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Peace ... If one wants peace, you( or they ) must accept the consequences. I doubt these religious fundamentalist radicals will ever accept peace. Hiding in the love for community and brotherhood, terrorists thrive off the trust of others belonging to the same "belief" ,unless brainwashing is employed, it will never end. War will never be the same as it was in the two world wars, or vietnam, Korea. A strong UN must step up to fix the years of mistakes(yugoslavia). I truly believe our "western" culture is positive for the future for one Huge reason. The empowerment of the Female in controling her body for all purposes. This is the biggest fear among Men in all non-western cultures, more so the middle east. I will not spout my reasons of strength for the American Woman. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
