Hello Bill, you said something which is true. But isn´t that
the vision we had in the "Dr.Mabuse" movies of the 1950-ies
??? Or H.G.Wells vision 1986 ??? Total control or near total
control we have today as we all are victims to the use of
e-cards, cell phones, internet, is that much different from
control in totalitarian systems ? Aren´t we just regarded as
ciffres (numbers) on paper instead of human beings ? Aren´t
we just reduced to economic factors ? Part of a manipulable
workingforce or consumerforce ??? Or followerforce ??? 

What is the difference between our system, where any
hear-say-parole becomes a one or two day truth story in the
mass media, where you can be hunted down & jailed jus
because your name sounds different to local names or similar
to some suspect names, and other systems where you will be
jailed if somebody denounces you that your wife got some
education & shows her face to a stranger or where you have
been denounced of listening to "The Voice of America"
perhaps or another "enemy" radio station or even just
watching TV ?? 

I see no difference. Is it all a big deficit in education ?
Has our education (modern on our and antiquated on the other
side)just increased the narrow minded level of understanding
technique but reduced the general knowledge dramatically, so
we believe witches & fortune tellers again ????

The same with horn playing: higher, faster, louder, newer,
special equipment instead beautiful tone, beautiful
phrasing, better adapting to the equipment at hand, more
natural playing ????? I would recommend (???) the chip
implant, so your (orchestra) employer can track you & get
you off any musical activity outside your employment. I
would enforce that & demand chip implants, which can
stimulate you (hard), to prepare for your job, as I am sure,
they have some chips (in the pocket), which are designed not
only to surveillance your whereabouts but to monitore your
activities. They will be able to monitore your private (!!
night or day) activities, check them about success and
prescribe the appropriate v.... pills in sufficiant numbers,
to empty your pockets to their own benefits. Nightmares
coming one after the other. The next step will be to control
you by chip & radio command like robots. And we believe this
be a free society ?????

And the other side brain wash their people by the so called
religion, to manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by
promising the super pious and chaste plenty of virgins in
paradise. Could it be more pervers !!!! Promising the
paradise to the most desperate is more DANGEROUS than
anything else ! There is no paradise. Life is Life, death is
death. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:25 AM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is
evil.  Keep it simple, and even I can take a position.  If a
group of people claim to hear their god whispering into
their ear telling them to kill every man, woman, and child
who doesn't conform to their exact beliefs, under their
definitions, these people pose a real threat to the rest of
the population.  A threat equal to that of any homicidal
maniac or sex offender.  They should be prepared to be
hunted down and removed from circulation permanently, under
the rules they have proclaimed.  I have relinquished my
right of personal, individual enforcement, but if the
majority of my fellow citizens feels the need of the duly
elected authorities to take effective, aggressive action, I
support it.  My duty is then to vote in such a way, the
action stays under control.  My only other alternative is to
convert to their beliefs, and hope I can do it convincingly.
 
What I find really scary is our authorities seem more intent
on using this as a scheme to curtail individual freedoms
under the guise of protection.  We're going to prison so the
killers can run free.  Of course, where this is all leading
is to the requirement of a chip implant to track whereabouts
of everyone around any potential target, just like the Bible
says.  Face it, the technology is already mature and being
used every day.  The newer chips in credit cards can be read
from quite a distance, especially as they increase the
detector technology..  If your cell phone can find you, so
can the FEDS.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:49:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR


David Goldberg wrote:
 
<<Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned,
check this out for some background on the attack:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742>>
 
........
Uh, sure David....and for some background on the totally
discredited McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel
Pipes (should you be interested and concerned),  you might
want to check this out: 
 
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
 
-Michael Henry
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from: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check
this out for some background on the attack:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742


        {  David Goldberg:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  }
        { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
                 { Ann Arbor Michigan }


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