Yes, indeed, there is no special indication about horns in C (basso) or C (alto for symphony no.82. I was at Munich City Music Library this morning. The horn part is inscribed with horns or trumpets. As the part does not exceed the written f2 (on the top line), the highest note after our F-horn understanding would be the high c for the F-horn, which is not very high for a Haydn symphony. The horn parts are rather simple, just a bit higher than average, but for the C-horns of that time really not an affair at all. The highest point be the 11th step of the available notes. Haydn used this note rarely because of the strange intonation, but it is easy< to correct this by the use of the right hand - just a bit closing of the bell.
As there is a choice between using horns or trumpets, I would use horns in C as written, not c-basso. Anyway "The Bear" symphony sounds lighter. If the conductor likes a deep voice grunting bear (????), play it basso. But the sound might get too heavy. Sorry, I did not check about the lowest note in the second horn, but do not remember having seen much ledger lines. Could not find no.41, but as it belongs to the earlier symphonies, c-alto should be the right choice. A very high one is "Mary Therese", also the ouverture/sinfonia "L´infedelta delusa", allways reaching for our high d3 (above 2nd ledger line for F-horn). ============================================================ =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Ottar Gjerstad Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] High or low horns Hans, Thank you for your answer. I'm looking forward to see what you found in the library. Per Ottar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <horn@music.memphis.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] High or low horns If the horns go along with the trumpets the horns might be in C-basso, so to be one octave lower than the trumpets. If the symphony requires (as No.82) horns or trumpets, the horns might be high (c-alto), but it depends if they would be playing higher than the oboes or not. It makes absolutely no sense if the horns go higher than the oboes. We had the example here with the new edition of Mozarts "Il Serail", wher w.o. Nikolaus Harnoncourt decided (during the conference of experts at Baerenreiter Edition), the horns were playing high (Bb-alto) allways. This would result that horns were playing higher than oboes on many occasions. A look into the score would reveal all. But there are so many experts & conductors out, who even cannot imagine how a certain even classic epoque symphony score should sound. That´s the problem. And they call themselves experts, but experts without ears & without taste. Could pass state library tomorrow & have a look into the full score of the Haydn collection. Let you know tomorrow. ============================================================ ================================================= -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Per Ottar Gjerstad Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:19 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] High or low horns Hello everybody, I am a little confused regarding some horn parts in Haydn's symphonies. As an example I use symph. no. 41 in C major. When I listen to my recording of the piece, the horns play really high notes because it's scored for high horns in C. ( Maybe I shall mention I don't have the score of this symphony, but is mentioned in the CD booklet). I 'm not sure, but I have a feeling that high horns in C is a bit rare? OK, when I open my score of symphony no 82, which is also in C major, there's no mentioning of the horns being high or low. How do you really know? regards, Per Ottar _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40fr isurf.no _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
