Luke,

What kind of 8D is it? It is perceived that depending upon the year of manufacture, there is a variance of quality.

Beware. I have heard two arguments. Think along the lines of old automobiles. Some people want to zealously restore them to their original condition. Some want to customize. If you are a purist, and you believe in your horn, because of who you bought it from, or how it played for you when you tried it out, then, you don't want to change it.

There are those, who say,"if you own an XXXX horn, it will be immensely improved by replacing the bell/leadpipe/valve caps/slide liners/shortening or lengthening the slides, with superior Lawson/German made/custom milled/ etc.etc.

I like to believe that the manufacturers do some kind of testing to put the most effective leadpipe with the most effective bells, etc. In other words, if they, through test playing, found that a larger throat/ bigger bell, differently bent leadpipe, would make that horn play so much better, wouldn't they manufacture it that way then?

And, if you do this, replace critical parts of your horn, the purists will call your horn a "Frankenstein" horn. I heard a person brag that his horn had an XXX bell, an dddd leadpipe and hhhh valve section.

How many professional sections have Frankenstein horns in their sections? I don't know.

My strategy, is to buy your horn, whatever make, used from a professional. But then, a friend of mine is thrilled with his horn, because it was owned by a string of professionals. Maybe, that meant that it was not meeting their requirements.

You can have fun customizing. But, also remember, the person who enthusiastically offers to customize your horn, rather than restore it, is out to earn some money. Of course!

I am likely naive. I am not a renowed horn player. (HA) But because of that, I do believe, I have nothing to lose by speaking my mind. My knowledge is miniscule in comparison to the far greater wealth of knowledge on this list. But, when it comes to earning a living hornwise, no professional wants to hurt another. If there is a market for something, someone will gladly make money off it. That is free enterprise.

I guess, you can see I am a purist, I have an Elkhart 300,000 series 8D, that was sold to me by a professional when he retired, and I was encouraged to make it into a Frankenstein horn by someone who knows his stuff, and I didn't, I only had it cleaned, and I am GLAD!!!!

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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:55:39 -0400

I put a Lawson pipe (FB210.125) on my K series 8D. It helped the high register quite a bit. I combined it with a Lawson mouthpiece (S660 cup). The combination is excellent. Try out the new leadpipe by taping it along side the old pipe and see for yourself. Lawson will send you a variety to try for a downpayment.
CORdially,
Luke Zyla
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hi-
I forgot to mention this in my post.

What have people's experiences been with putting Lawson or Patteson leadpipes on and 8D (or Patterson Conversion -although I have only heard of these played in NYC and Hollywood, correct me if I'm wrong I am trying to become less ignorent here) I have herd from someone a while ago that a Lawson leadpipe really "improved" their 8D. There isn't anything I want to improve about my horn, except the really stuffy, resistant, impossible high range as compared to many other horns I've tried, and the fact that I need to take a breath every 2-3 measures.

again I ask, is this likely faults in my technique or could it be the nature or large horns with a deep mouthpiece, or both?

thanks again,

Dave M.


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