Hello Klaus & others, Thanks for transmitting the pdf file of that piece. I tried hard to understand the horn part & how it would make sense to play it with hand horn, as a valved horn did not exist that time, well, there was an exception: the invention by Dickhuth with the easy extendable tuning slide which was pulled back to the original position by a clock spring mechanism. No, I tried the horn solo part on several other crooks than the E-flat as on the score. All were impractical. The ductus of the horn solo is in a range where the hand horn really sounds clumsy & where severel notes are really problematic. Could it be, that the composer wrote "horn" in the part (or score or both), but meant another type of horn, e.g. the "cornu" or "cornetto", also named "Zinc" ? This would explain the use of notes foreign to the reservoir of available notes on the hand horn. Zincs were used in monasteries widely, and Kempten had a church orchestra then, also Ottobeuren few kms away.
============================================================ ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:04 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lacher - Salve mundi Domina I very much understand, why you are puzzled. Certainly too early for the valved horn, and not much later than the Mozart concertos, which display a more advanced usage of the hand horn, than seen in most, if not all, of the ensemble horn writing of the time. Most notes would be possible by a very advanced hand technique for the period, but I don't find it likely. And the low A would be just about impossible. Some passages use the same material as KV447, others would be possible one octave up. But then they would be very high and stick out of general tessitura of the part as well as of the ensemble. Some of the "tutti"-writing is quite simple, but a passage like bars ## 82 through 85 does not look likely as being period horn parts. My take is, that the period copyist writing the only source for the modern edition did some errors in the attempt to get the score down on 8 stave paper. The clarinet writing is not very advanced, so the potential tutti bassoon writing wouldn't be that either. And the solo part would be possible on bassoon. The winds of this score simply may be two clarinets and two bassoons. The first bassoon then would play the soloist interludes and obligatos as related to the entries of the vocal bass. My theory is not flawless, as some of the tutti-horn writing of the modern score edition very much looks like period horn-writing. Letting the 2nd bassoon end on the third doesn't look very likely for the period. Maybe the copyist has tried to jam 2 clarinets, 2 bassoons, and 2 horns together on two staves. The combination of a figured bass (with at least one error - in bar # 92) together with clarinets isn't very common either, but then that does not affect my theory. If you read the German text, you will find, that this piece is not necessarily out of the hands of the said composer. I haven't heard this piece, but from what I can read, it is Mozart-VERY-Light. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- Graham Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Listers > I found this work for Bass soloist with small orchestra featuring a solo horn. > http://www.muenster-musik.de/files/La_SaPa.pdf > But... > I can't make head or tail of the horn part- is it wrongly transposed > and should be an octave higher - or am I missing something - too early > to be for valved horn - but surely can't work on hand-horn in this octave - at least not throughout. > Ideas?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de _______________________________________________ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
