[In case you've lost track of who is who, >> is Marc Gelfo,  >>> is Marc 
Gelfo quoting Steve Freides, and > is Steve replying to  Marc.]
 
In a message dated 6/3/2006 7:47:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>>  Steve Freides wrote:
>> > It is essentially impossible for a human  being to distinguish those 
>> > overtones as individual  pitches.  (If we could, we would have a 
>> > completely  different perception of sound than we do, and I believe 
>> >  music as we now think of it would not exist.)
>> 
>> This is  very untrue.  You can train yourself to hear 
>> individual  harmonics.  I can fluctuate between perceving a 
>> tone as a  single entity and tone as a combination of 
>> overtones.  It  took me a lot of practice.  

>You are the first person I've  heard of that has tried to teach themselves to
>do this - I'm glad you  are able to do it.  I guess it's not impossible then,
>but it  certainly isn't the way most people, musicians or not,  hear.





If you sing a low sustained steady pitch (near the bottom of your voice  
range) and then keep changing the vowel without changing the pitch of the note  
you're singing, you will hear the overtones change over the fundamental (each  
vowel has its own characteristic timbre, so changing the vowels is sort of  
equivalent to feeding a musical tone through a band-pass filter and constantly  
changing the settings). 
 
Thirty-six years ago or so I heard a recording of a Stockhausen piece  called 
(I believe) "Stimmung" which used this phenomenon as one of its basic  
compositional elements.
 
It is also I believe the basis of at least one of the styles of  singing 
known as "Tuvan Throat Singing."
 
Emory Waters
 
 
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